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Thanks for the review as always.
I feel a bit like i'm a teacher in a large class, watching the kid who works hard but gets a 'C' and you know can do better.
well the performance GPU really are "GREAT" knocked out any onboard VGA and a little bit fall behind add on vga card. this is Great!
Thank you for sharing it with us guys :)
"Whatever the case, AMD is at least still in the laptop fight, and, pragmatically, that's all it can ask for in mid-2012."
Spot on. Without this, they would be struggling, and we would be worse of without at least some competition. It's an interesting product, and I suspect for most uses more than 'good enough'.
Still looking forward to CPU FP offloaded to the GPU some day...
I wouldn't mind seeing it re-benched on Windows 8 later this year, including average battery life.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
I was hoping Hexus might have benched it on the Windows 8 preview - it would have been nice to see whether performance does improve at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribe
Not impressed, though the benchmarks are all over the place again. Most other sites found it to be really good in battery life but that's what happens when you give out test systems. Sometimes I think AMD's marketing dept is paid by intel.
Hothardware had their system only drawing 11W at idle - http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-T...eview/?page=12
I have heard that Microsoft may still be adjusting the scheduler however, may be worth waiting at least for the release candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by tickedon
What insect or aninmal are they going to dub this with?
It doesn't help key staff keep leaving AMD so its amazing material ever appears.
Wouldn't mind seeing more tablets from AMD soon.
Still impressed with my HP AMD laptop of a number of years.
I can throw virtual machines at it no problem so these new CPU's will hopefully cope with that too.
Hexus was comparing a 35W TDP Trinity with a 45W TDP Llano.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo75
Moreover,actually single threaded performance has gone up:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/a...m-a-new-hope/5
The fact is that due to the use of the module approach,multi-threaded performance has been traded for single threaded performance.
Moreover the 35W A10 has managed to catch up with the 35W SB based Core i5-2410M dual core with HT for video encoding(around 10% slower in the first pass and 5% slower in the second pass). Not bad for a 2.3GHZ to 3.2GHZ AMD part to catch up with a 2.3GHZ to 2.9GHZ Intel Core i5 dual core.
I thought piledriver was meant to have a second FPU in each module making it more akin to cores than modules? Im probably wrong, recall reading it awhile ago... I think AMD just need to bide their time really and this does exactly that, as soon as the industry gets to the point that GPGPU is the norm (as in EVERYWHERE) then AMD have won, its clear their onboard GPUs destroy everything in regards to performance per watt and with the average performance of their cpus (hindered by their FPU?) then the GPU can finally take that slack being the FP power house :). It will certainly be an interesting few years for AMD and the mobile sector, personally cant wait as im planning on getting a new laptop this or next year :P.
Yep it's "not bad" I suppose but the gap isn't closing I fear. Anyway this has basically made up my mind and I much to my chagrin I just went and bought a 2500K which I will overclock the hell out of and make it last a couple of years. Hopefully Steamroller will put AMD back where they belong but they are running out of chances.
Looking at some of the results,single thread IPC of Trinity is probably a tad better overall than Bulldozer(if you consider that mobile chipsets are used) for desktop,while the CPU clocks higher and consumes less power. Remember Trinity has no L3 cache and the same amount of L2 cache when compared to Bulldozer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo75
I also expect the 100W TDP A10-5800K will be faster than the 95W TDP FX4100 and probably close to a 125W TDP FX4170.
I suspect Vishera probably will have around 10% to 20% higher single thread IPC overall than Bulldozer,but clocking higher for the same TDP and power consumption. So around 20% to 30% higher overall performance is what I think the IPC+increased clocks of the FX8350 will yield over the FX8150. Hence,in multi-threaded stuff the FX8350 probably will catch up with the IB Core i7 CPUs IMHO.
However,for gaming the Core i5 2500K will still be ahead as lightly threaded performance will probably be better.
The thing is though I get the feeling the same was said about Llano and Zacate being failures by many enthusiasts too. However,in reality this was not the case and the same probably will happen with Trinity. I just get the feeling when you see the backgrounds of the CEO and CTO I see AMD moving more and more towards providing products which OEMs want.
So I see the higher end desktop enthusiast market being in Intel's court now onwards IMHO.
Would be nice to give charts in terms of GPU vs GPU not laptop vs laptop. Granted you aren't testing the GPU with the same CPU, but it's easier to digest than a bunch of random laptops.
Yeah in its current form the charts aren't terribly easy to make sense of...
The desktop chip reviews will probably make more sense whenever they're released.
From Hexus' review I'm not too impressed by its performance - but that may have been because I underestimated Intel with their iGPU (HD4000) and hoped for too much from AMD. It's fair to say that both Intel and AMD have upped their game in the iGPU departments again with both of them showing up to 50% gains. Obviously for Intel this is less in absolute terms as the HD3000 was much weaker, but in relative terms we can't deny that both have done well. On top of that AMD has managed to create something very power efficient too.
Personally I'd like to see AMD compete a bit with Intel in the "ultra portable laptops (ultrabooks/ultrathins/sleekbooks)" market but I'm not sure how profitable it is as most people either buy a MacBook Air if they want portable or a netbook if they've got a low budget with low requirements.
Here is the mobile IB line-up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulti
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5192/i...ineup-overview
But you do need to consider a few things:
1.)The AMD A10 chips are 35W TDP ones
2.)All the IB Core i7 chips so far are 45W TDP ones
3.)The A6 tested had a 45W TDP
4.)The 45W TDP Core i7 CPUs have more TDP headroom for the HD4000 IGP meaning it can Turbo to the maximum clockspeed more often
5.)The IB Core i3 and Core i5 CPUs will have HD4000 IGPs with lower Turbo clockspeeds and lower CPU performance. The lower TDP probably means the IGP will Turbo to the top clockspeed less often.
6.)The Core i7 systems are most likely to cost much more.
I would also suggest you look at these reviews too as they test more games:
1.)http://techreport.com/articles.x/22932
2.)http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/a10-46...iew-32445.html
3.)http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/a...00m-a-new-hope
The latency tests in the first review are quite interesting - I really hope more websites also add this.
It does seem for some games,the HD7660G is not much faster than the HD6550D,whereas in others it is much faster. It is hard to say whether it is down to the VLIW4 shaders or driver issues. The other aspect is that CPU performance might be an issue,but considering that Skyrim does quite well but not a game like Batman it indicates something else is going on.
Now,the major is cost IMHO. Hopefully,the laptops just using the A10-4600M only,won't be Core i7 level pricing but closer to Core i3 and Core i5 CPUs.
I would be interested to see how in batttery life is when gaming, the APU really ought to perform quite well there. Its a shame they are using HD6xxx rather than HD7xxx.
I think its about time to replace my ancient Sony.