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    Reviews - Windows 8 - Part Three: Desktop

    The Start menu is gone, but is the desktop better or worse?
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    Re: Reviews - Windows 8 - Part Three: Desktop

    To get over the desktop drawbacks you can get the start menu back. There is a free version available but I went with Start8 from stardock for about £3.
    I just got so used to using the search bar that using the MetroUI seems counter productive.
    Next up, i'm hoping that a theme can be created to bring back Aero, with its transparency and rounded edges.

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    I'm a professional sound designer and composer and I've tried Windows 8 but can't stand this Modern UI rubbish. It's so incredibly counter-productive in a business environment! Thankfully Stardock gave us Start8, a wonderful start menu for Windows 8. However, the UI is still there.

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    Hated Windows 8 when the developer preview was released. Have since tried the release preview in a VM full screen for a while, getting used to it, and I have to admit it's actually good.

    You raise some excellent points in the article about applications vs. apps - how using an app takes over the whole screen, kicking you from your real 'work'. This is a problem Microsoft will have to deal with in Windows 9. I still get the sense of being forced to use this big (albeit attractive) full-screen Start screen, even when all I want is to quickly search for a file and open it.

    Also, I find having to click 'Files', 'Apps' etc. on the right after a search counter-productive. In Windows 7, if I typed 'Device Manager', Device Manager would be the first option. In Windows 8 I have to type Device Manager and then click 'Apps' for it to display results for apps, which is pretty useless. Unless I'm missing something?

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    Ive had a few compatibility issues that I wasnt expecting.

    - Windows had drivers for evrey device except for Creative soundcard and wasnt very helpful in getting one (but i put the blame at Creative's door more than Windows)

    - ASUS AI Suite hardly works in Win 8

    - Some steam games refuse to work in Win 8 (Rock of Ages and Poker Night at the Inventory so far, suspect more Im slowly working my way through the list

    - Logitech Webcam, driver works but software package wont install under Win 8 and they havent done a Win 8 version yet

    - Due to not being able to fully disable UAC or use the built in super admin account (you can do but then none of apps on the Start page work) some programs installed on desktop have annoying UAC shield logo's on them and i have not been able to get rid of these yet even though my account is set to admin. (Most suggestions online say replace the image with a blank one but dont want that hassle, there has to be another way)

    - Due to them removing a lot of the customise options for the desktop i can no longer set the default colour of windows background from white to the colour I want (I do this to help with my dyslexia and cant believe microsoft have done away with it, also white is the worst possible colour for reading text on for dyslexic's)

    Apart form all that its ok.

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    Re: Reviews - Windows 8 - Part Three: Desktop

    Thanks Hexus for a superb write up, I for one have installed the start button only because I can get around more quickly, my work experience with Windows 8 is superb and I do not have any problems at the moment, not only does windows open and shut down quicker but Microsoft Office is so fast starting up in word and excel, it was quite a shock from what I was use to in Windows Vista when I got my programs up quicker.

    I totally agree the new UI does not work well with a laptop or desktop computer and I personally feel you should get a tick box whether you want to use it or not, at the moment when I start up I go straight into Desktop so it is not bothering me, and I am having second thoughts about installing Windows 8 onto my main PC at home because I am enjoying the feel and the quirkiness of it all.

    Other have tried putting Windows 8 down I am not sure why it looks like a solid performer to me but everyone is allowed there opinions.

    Enjoying the Experience of windows 8 in Desktop mode, well done Microsoft for something new.

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    Re: Reviews - Windows 8 - Part Three: Desktop

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff I View Post
    you should get a tick box whether you want to use it or not
    This is my biggest problem over deciding on moving to Windows 8: why can't they simply give YOU the choice? Forcing people to go either one way, or the other, is always going to cause dissent at some point, by being flexible you remove one hell of a lot of concerns.

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    Re: Reviews - Windows 8 - Part Three: Desktop

    So the EU are concerned to the tune of billions about Microsoft 'unfairly' crowding out free web browser software but not the many commercial anti-virus products? Or haven't they noticed yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanoe View Post
    Ive had a few compatibility issues that I wasnt expecting.

    - Windows had drivers for evrey device except for Creative soundcard and wasnt very helpful in getting one (but i put the blame at Creative's door more than Windows)
    Same problem here - keep checking here http://support.creative.com/KB/showa...sid=61105&h=13 they are (slowly) updating drivers for 8.
    The default MS driver does work for me (XFI Titanium fatality pro pcie) but the 'beta' driver from creative does not.

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    - ASUS AI Suite hardly works in Win 8
    ASUS don't claim it will and yes this needs sorting

    Quote Originally Posted by bridges009 View Post
    So the EU are concerned to the tune of billions about Microsoft 'unfairly' crowding out free web browser software but not the many commercial anti-virus products? Or haven't they noticed yet?
    Really? You think we'd be better off if MS shipped without any malware/virus protection so that the leeching anti virus companies could take your money? MS haven't stopped anyone from installing their own virus checker and disabling the built in one.



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    - Due to not being able to fully disable UAC or use the built in super admin account (you can do but then none of apps on the Start page work) some programs installed on desktop have annoying UAC shield logo's on them and i have not been able to get rid of these yet even though my account is set to admin. (Most suggestions online say replace the image with a blank one but dont want that hassle, there has to be another way)
    Which programs? I don't move UAC away from default level (security is good).
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    Re: Reviews - Windows 8 - Part Three: Desktop

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanoe View Post
    Ive had a few compatibility issues that I wasnt expecting.

    - Windows had drivers for evrey device except for Creative soundcard and wasnt very helpful in getting one (but i put the blame at Creative's door more than Windows)

    - ASUS AI Suite hardly works in Win 8

    - Some steam games refuse to work in Win 8 (Rock of Ages and Poker Night at the Inventory so far, suspect more Im slowly working my way through the list

    - Logitech Webcam, driver works but software package wont install under Win 8 and they havent done a Win 8 version yet

    - Due to not being able to fully disable UAC or use the built in super admin account (you can do but then none of apps on the Start page work) some programs installed on desktop have annoying UAC shield logo's on them and i have not been able to get rid of these yet even though my account is set to admin. (Most suggestions online say replace the image with a blank one but dont want that hassle, there has to be another way)

    - Due to them removing a lot of the customise options for the desktop i can no longer set the default colour of windows background from white to the colour I want (I do this to help with my dyslexia and cant believe microsoft have done away with it, also white is the worst possible colour for reading text on for dyslexic's)

    Apart form all that its ok.
    creative have a beta driver for windows 8 some games have patches to work for windows 8 and i believe asus will be doing a windows 8 version of there soft

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    Re: Reviews - Windows 8 - Part Three: Desktop

    you can still use other antivirus products but windows gives you one for free to sart with you can also use it in conjunction with the program of your choice

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    Re: Reviews - Windows 8 - Part Three: Desktop

    Kanoe, you can disable the UAC, just go to search then type msconfig, Tools then change UAC settings.

    Interesting about Creative, I clicked a link to their site and got taken straight to a download page where my card was supported (X-Fi ExtremeGamer).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonj1611 View Post
    Kanoe, you can disable the UAC, just go to search then type msconfig, Tools then change UAC settings.
    You can move the slider down the bottom all you like but in Win 8 it never fully switches off UAC (like it did in 7) as its more baked into the OS than before.

    So far I got it on Game Save Manager, Defraggler and MSI Afterburner and CPU-Z. Not present on Steam, Origin, CCleaner. Thats pretty much all i got on at the mo. Would welcome any further suggestions.

    EDIT: My gf did try explaining this to me last night but I may not have remembed fully. Its something to do elevated priviledges and that evn though you set your account to be Admin level it actually doesnt give you the same priviledge level as the built in admin account. You can use the built in admin account (change its name etc) to get round this but then it locks you out of using the Apps and App store. Being playing with gpedit.msc to change various settings to combat the original issue but not 100% of the impact of tweaking these settings to the secruity of the system.
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    Re: Reviews - Windows 8 - Part Three: Desktop

    Indeed, I have just downloaded defraggler and have noticed what you said, while UAC once turned off doesn't interrupt like it did when it was on it still leaves the icon there. Curious.

    However no UAC icon on the Start screen I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonj1611 View Post
    So far I got it on Game Save Manager, Defraggler and MSI Afterburner and CPU-Z. Not present on Steam, Origin, CCleaner. Thats pretty much all i got on at the mo. Would welcome any further suggestions.
    Here's a trick from Windows 7 - for things you want to run on startup with admin privs use the task scheduler to launch them. It's possible to run them with the highest privileges and with no UAC prompt. See http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/win...-scheduler/616 for an example which still applies today. Software can programatically set this up for you and so it's really down to the authors not being compliant with the security model (for example, CCleaner used to hit UAC but they've now fixed it).

    For stuff you run manually, and only on occasion i'd advise you live with it - after all it's there to protect you and whilst not bulletproof it's an extra level of protection nonetheless. I'm a developer and I run UAC at default level on all my systems (and i've even made our own software compliant with it too).

    If none of that helps there is one other trick..
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    Re: Reviews - Windows 8 - Part Three: Desktop

    Quote Originally Posted by dangel View Post
    (bridges009: So the EU are concerned to the tune of billions about Microsoft 'unfairly' crowding out free web browser software but not the many commercial anti-virus products? Or haven't they noticed yet?) Really? You think we'd be better off if MS shipped without any malware/virus protection so that the leeching anti virus companies could take your money? MS haven't stopped anyone from installing their own virus checker and disabling the built in one.
    Utterly agree here - that Microsoft ship a basic (?) anti-malware product with the OS is unarguably a good idea. This doesn't prevent folks from subsequently installing a more feature-filled "paid for" app suite later on. So no, I don't think that Intel/Mcafee, Symantec/Norton, etc are going to be losing too many sales - maybe even the reverse since they can now sell on the "we're better than what's there already" aspect. Only downside being that some may think that they're now bulletproof and not bother with any other security software.

    And yes, I realise that some folks out there are going to argue that "secure operating" makes anti-malware unneeded but I personally prefer to have that second line of defence if I inadvertently do something dumb (it's been known to happen).
    Quote Originally Posted by dangel View Post
    I don't move UAC away from default level (security is good).
    I figure UAC is there for a reason and don't find it too objectionable. The little shield mod on the app icon is a little annoying from a style point of view, but on the other hand the shield does remind you that the app might/does need elevated privs.

    As to the article I'm a bit confused - the tone up to the mid-point seems pretty negative, then it suddenly starts going positive. Did the writer get a call from the editor to remind him/her that they needed to be generally positive? I'm also going to argue strongly with the comments about file versions being a replacement for Backup/Restore - since the docs on the latter make it clear that it also has a function wrt disaster recovery, which as simple file version tool won't.

    What the series of three articles has convinced me is that my Windows 7 boxes will stay on Windows 7, but any new kit (Christmas is coming soon) will be spec'd with Windows 8.

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