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    Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    Kaveri goes mobile with an FX chip at the helm.
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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    Potential as well for an AMD equivalent of Intels NUC?
    How do AMD stack up in terms of Moore's Law? Does the law apply to AMD chips, is the performance doubling every (approx) 18 months?

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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    Moore's law is about the number of transistors, not about performance.
    Looks like this is a decent all rounded chip, but I would love to see a power consumption chart.

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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    All down to partners producing premium feel laptops for a reasonable price rather than just throwing the cheapest components together for a £250-£300 mess of a laptop no-one wants.

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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    Quote Originally Posted by glitch View Post
    Moore's law is about the number of transistors, not about performance.
    *snip*.
    Technically true (to the best of my knowledge) but a little pedantic! I think it's widely accepted that Moore's law is equivalent to one of the following every 18 months:
    - doubling of performance
    - halving of power consumption
    - halving of size (and hence often production cost)

    Historically the first option has been the most prevalent, although arguably the last few years have seen a shift towards numbers 2 and 3.
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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    Darn, I thought desktop FX had returned....

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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    Quote Originally Posted by CK_1985 View Post
    Technically true (to the best of my knowledge) but a little pedantic! I think it's widely accepted that Moore's law is equivalent to one of the following every 18 months:
    - doubling of performance
    - halving of power consumption
    - halving of size (and hence often production cost)

    Historically the first option has been the most prevalent, although arguably the last few years have seen a shift towards numbers 2 and 3.
    No, the "law" (and it really isn't a law just an observation and one that Intel have been spending stupid amounts of money to try and keep going) is just to do with number of transistors. Also it says they will double every 2 years, not every 18 months.

    The doubling of performance was because the shrunk components were faster, mainly due to reduced capacitance in the metal layers, but when Gordon came up with his law in the 60's he was talking about any old IC as Intel was not yet a CPU company.

    So, transistors are still shrinking, but the physics is such that the switching speed doesn't really improve and the cost per transistor is going up as the fabs become cripplingly expensive to build. So you no longer get faster or cheaper chips.
    What you do get is the option of what to do with all those extra transistors, if you use them for power gating etc then you get better power consumption. If you use it to increase cache sizes and improve the pipelines, you get a faster chip.

    In fact thinking about it, the 8086 didn't even have a heatsink let alone a fan, so power consumption was going up constantly for decades. It is just a parameter of what the designers think they can get away with.

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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    All I want is Gigabyte to produce one of the Brix mini-PC's using this fully enabled "FX" mobile kaveri.

    I'd buy it in a heartbeat!
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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    Sweet Louise, 35 Watts and all that power - Very impressive

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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    Can AMD's partners now take the FX-7600P and produce thin, high-quality laptops with stunning displays, reasonable battery life and competitive price tags? Only time will tell.
    Can they? Yeah sure
    Will they? Nope

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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix View Post
    All I want is Gigabyte to produce one of the Brix mini-PC's using this fully enabled "FX" mobile kaveri.

    I'd buy it in a heartbeat!
    HP launched this:

    http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/elite-a...-705-mini.html


    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    Can they? Yeah sure
    Will they? Nope
    http://www.cnet.com/news/hp-eliteboo...ri-mobile-apu/
    http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/pre...0#.U49cxSjiiMP
    http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/elite-a...5-745-755.html


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    So HP release some fairly average looking devices, I don't yet feel corrected if I'm honest.

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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    Can AMD's partners now take the FX-7600P and produce thin, high-quality laptops with stunning displays, reasonable battery life and competitive price tags? Only time will tell.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    Can they? Yeah sure
    Will they? Nope
    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    So HP release some fairly average looking devices, I don't yet feel corrected if I'm honest.
    Did you even look at the specs at all??

    They range from 12.5" to 15.6" screens with upto 1920X1080 resolution(even a 12.5" or 14" 1080P screen).

    Quote Originally Posted by HP bumpf
    Never fear bumps and minor spills. Each HP EliteBook passes 9 MIL-STD 810G tests3 as well as 115,000 hours of Total Test Process.
    Instead of the rubbish consumer level build you might be thinking about,they are built to pass MIL STD 810G standards:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIL-STD-810

    The MIL-STD-810 test series are approved for use by all departments and agencies of the United States Department of Defense (DoD).
    4G is an optional extra and the drives are all 7200RPM ones or SSDs.

    These are well built,high quality laptops with decent display options.

    So,IMHO AMD partners have already started to make such laptops with Kaveri in them.

    Edit!!

    The 12.5" and 14" ones are under 1" thick anyway.

    If HP is getting onboard and selling semi-ruggedised laptops with 1080P displays using Kaveri,then its quite likely we will see other companies like Lenovo getting onboard too. The G505s is quite well built too despite its niggles(motherboard BIOS limits CPU Turbo in A10 version),and I am hoping a Kaveri version will follow.

    The exotic Ultrabooks are going to be harder for AMD to crack due to more Intel incentives in their "Ultrabook fund" which is a couple of hundred million dollars,just like with their billions of dollars of contra-revenue with BT.
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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    So HP release some fairly average looking devices, I don't yet feel corrected if I'm honest.
    Actually, though Elitebooks and Thinkpads keep getting called ugly on various deal sites and reviews. But give me durability over looks any day. I blame Apple for allt his look obsession although at least MacBooks are reasonably well built.

    Actually quite surprised about that Elitebook. Now if AMD were to allow FirePro drivers on it, that would be interesting.

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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    Ok so perhaps they are better than we are used to with AMD, but are they desirable enough and will people buy them or are they just another product that will be largely overlooked?
    Are HP going to be the only ones putting a bit of faith into AMD?

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    Re: Reviews - AMD FX-7600P (28nm Kaveri)

    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    ... if AMD were to allow FirePro drivers on it, that would be interesting.
    They have Pro versions of the APUs, and the HP pages have the little "Pro" GPU badge on them, so I suspect you might well find a FirePro APU as an option in there.

    12.5" 1080p Touchscreen laptop with an AMD A10 APU looks like a good piece of kit to me. And if that's what's coming out now, think what I might be able to get in 3 - 4 years time when I actually need a new laptop...

    Oh, and EDIT to add: my current laptop is an HP, precisely because they had the best value laptop in my price range (A10, 8GB RAM). HP sell a lot of laptops - them being a major AMD partner for Kaveri isn't a bad thing. Also I have to say those new Elitebooks look like they're targeted more towards businesses. Might suggest HP are going to start targeting the corporate markets that Dell have done such a good job of sewing up.

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