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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    I thought that's why most nodes switched to FinFET, IIRC costs only started to rise when they started going under 20nm with the traditional planar technique, i thought FinFET postponed that cost increase per node shrink down to something like 10-12nm.
    can't find much on FinFET in particular but this slide is what I remember from fab costs.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    I thought that's why most nodes switched to FinFET, IIRC costs only started to rise when they started going under 20nm with the traditional planar technique, i thought FinFET postponed that cost increase per node shrink down to something like 10-12nm.
    The cost comes from the difficulty in masking features down at 20nm forcing the use of multi patterning (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_patterning). FinFET doesn't control costs, it controls power used and improves performance but at the cost of making the device more complex and so using even more masks to make it.

    So basically FinFET is a way of making 10nm possible, not cheap.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    GTX1080 UK price. £630 to £650. Thats about £120-£170 more than a GTX980Ti.

    35% more money for 20% more performance of an already ridiculously overpriced card.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by jigger View Post
    GTX1080 UK price. £630 to £650. Thats about £120-£170 more than a GTX980Ti.

    35% more money for 20% more performance of an already ridiculously overpriced card.
    It's about £100 more, though now shops are discounting 980ti stock of course. But what's the price of the non-reference 1080? Ars say the FE is £620 and the non-reference around £450.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    I've definitely seen GTX980Ti's for about £150-170 less.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    It's about £100 more, though now shops are discounting 980ti stock of course. But what's the price of the non-reference 1080? Ars say the FE is £620 and the non-reference around £450.
    I think they got their numbers muddied. If you look at the Nvidia price for the non-reference models it equates to around £500 for the cheapest card.

    Non-reference GTX980TI cards have been available for around £500 since last year.

    Plus this review overclocked both the GTX980TI and GTX1080:

    http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...clocking/2.htm

    If you average the numbers it is around 22% or thereabouts.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    I think they got their numbers muddied. If you look at the Nvidia price for the non-reference models it equates to around £500 for the cheapest card.

    Non-reference GTX980TI cards have been available for around £500 since last year.

    Plus this review overclocked both the GTX980TI and GTX1080:

    http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...clocking/2.htm

    If you average the numbers it is around 22% or thereabouts.
    So it's about the same price, but 22% faster (assuming the non-reference models also OC at least as well) and uses significantly less power.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    Only if 500 and 650 have become the same number.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by jigger View Post
    Only if 500 and 650 have become the same number.
    Where does 650 come from? Cat reckons Ars got the price wrong and it should be 500 for the non-reference 1080, which compares to a non-reference 980ti price of 500 also.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Where does 650 come from? Cat reckons Ars got the price wrong and it should be 500 for the non-reference 1080, which compares to a non-reference 980ti price of 500 also.
    Well, Overclockers have set a pre-order price and it's £630-£650 depending on which brand people want on their cardboard box.
    Can't see any actual decent custom designs coming in at less than that for at least a few weeks if not months.
    Since the 'F-Editions' seem to have no redeeming features aside from the vapour chamber (that is the VRM, power phases, etc. are all rather poor as with a lot of lower end Nvidia reference design), why should AIBs sell a more expensive to produce card for less?

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    Well, Overclockers have set a pre-order price and it's £630-£650 depending on which brand people want on their cardboard box.
    Yes, I presume that's the FE (aka early adopter tax edition), I'm talking about the non-FE cards which Ars say should be £450, cat reckons nearer £500, but either way it's about the same price as a (similarly non-reference) 980ti currently.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Yes, I presume that's the FE (aka early adopter tax edition), I'm talking about the non-FE cards which Ars say should be £450, cat reckons nearer £500, but either way it's about the same price as a (similarly non-reference) 980ti currently.
    Well of course, Overclockers may be price gauging but if the alleged difference between FE and non-FE is meant to be $100 and £630 = $699, the same $<>£ ration would be about £540. But it is possible that price AIBs will sell build-down to a price bare design: poor PCB, poor power delivery, and cheap fans.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    4 games, 3 GameWorks and Rise of the Tomb Raider Dx12. You're not even trying to hide the bias any longer Hexus.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    Think I'll stick with my 980Ti for a while, then. I imagine nVidia are going to have to do something good when Polaris flops out. Christmas might be interesting.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    So, first cards are arriving...Asus GTX 1080 FE



    But the price is whooping 899CHF (Swiss Francs) here in Switzerland, so almost the same amount in USD.

    very expensive, we can see nVidia doesn't have competition.

    I will wait September I think.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 (16nm Pascal)

    am impressed with the power consumption and the GPU temperatures under load

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