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    Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Can the cheaper Pascal deliver performance in spades?
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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Hmmm so its basically punching on par with the 980ti and Titan X. Thats pretty nice for a significantly cheaper price. Most likely this will be the card I go for then, upgrading from a 760 as while this may be a half baked release without HBM2, I only just bought myself 1080p monitors, so I'm unlikely to need a card from next gen where the main leap will be in HBM2 and some refinement of the architecture I imagine.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Whilst I don't know if I can justify spending quite so much on a card, it does throw the cat amongst the pigeons and it will be interesting see what happens to the prices of the current gen cards now.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Hexus, you're normally a bit more objective! The game choices are very odd, and the concluding statement of "The sensible purchaser looking for a quality gaming system this summer should opt for the GeForce GTX 1070" before we've even seen anything from AMD is really weird. Nearly £400 is a LOT of money on a GPU that will last only a year or so before being outdated by the next gen - a CPU costs considerably less and lasts longer.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Looks like this will be my next GPU if I can get it for under £300. I think even at the asking price of £320 I'll probably end up going for it. Looks to be 50-60% better than my GTX970 and around 80% of the performance of a GTX1080 which puts it at pretty good value for money in relative terms.

    In absolute terms it's still rather expensive but if I've spent roughly £1000 on the whole PC and I can't up all the settings to max on 2560*1440 resolution and this upgrade would allow me to then I think it's worth it.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulti View Post
    Looks like this will be my next GPU if I can get it for under £300. I think even at the asking price of £320 I'll probably end up going for it. Looks to be 50-60% better than my GTX970 and around 80% of the performance of a GTX1080 which puts it at pretty good value for money in relative terms.

    In absolute terms it's still rather expensive but if I've spent roughly £1000 on the whole PC and I can't up all the settings to max on 2560*1440 resolution and this upgrade would allow me to then I think it's worth it.
    The problem is at £400 this is 60% more expensive than the GTX970 which was £250 and even at £320 it is 30% more for the improvement.

    Edit!!

    This is the other problem too.

    Look at when the GTX670 was launched:

    http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphi...x-670/?page=13

    It destroyed the GTX580 in the same price range.

    The GTX1070 can barely match a GTX980TI.

    I am starting to think the current 14NM and 16NM based cards from AMD and Nvidia are some of the worst improvements we have seen for a while for the price,and are just using overinflated pricing to look reasonable value.

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    See,the GTX670 cost just over £320 and was 20% faster than a GTX580.

    The USD RRP for the cheapest versions of both cards was around the same.

    I fear Polaris is not going to be any different now in terms of value for money.
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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post

    The GTX1070 can barely match a GTX980TI.

    The benchmarks appear to say the 1070 is easily matching the 980Ti and at a good few quid less than the Ti.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by lon3wolf2002 View Post
    The benchmarks appear to say the 1070 is easily matching the 980Ti and at a good few quid less than the Ti.
    Yet,the GTX670 beat the GTX580(which was the equivalent of the Titan X of its day) by 20% at a similar dollar price-point.

    Years of price increases and stagnation on 28NM and the fact 20NM was not viable,have made people forget the kind of increases we used to be getting with new nodes.

    The £250 GTX970 on the same 28NM node managed to match or beat a £500 to £600 GTX780TI with significantly lower power consumption. Yet with a 1.5 node shrink(standard shrink plus finfets),the GTX1070 can barely do the same with the GTX980TI.

    Look at the massive performance difference between it and the GTX1080 - the latter is around 20% to 25% faster.

    The GTX680 was not even 10% faster than a GTX670.



    I have this bad feeling the £250 GTX1060/GTX1060TI and Polaris 10 will be not much faster than a GTX980 or R9 390X,as a GTX1070 will be probably 20% to 25% faster than them too.



    Plus does the GTX1070 memory controller have full 256 bit memory access or is it a hybrid one like the GTX970,GTX660TI,GTX660 and GTS450?
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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Kalniel,

    The intention is never to be biased. The conclusion didn't read the way I had meant it to. The word sensible was used to infer that the GTX 1070 is a better buy than the GTX 1080 due to its improved bang4buck at resolutions that are playable. Also, given that partners are releasing cards at $379 (£329) makes it a far better buy than, say, GTX 980 Ti. AMD will have to go some to match this card's power/performance credentials with Polaris. I've had a think and rejigged the conclusion to make it fairer.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Meh, 980Ti levels of performance, boatloads less power usage, and probably be about £330 when the AIBs are released. Y'all are too spoilt this is amazing.

    You're all talking about percentage increases in performance like that is what you're owed in a new card, which is just bizarre imo. It decimates the previous gen (compare it to a 980 not a 980Ti if you're gonna do the 670/580 comparison)

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Also why no GTA V benchmarks ?

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    first page last paragraph typo:

    "GTX 1080 loses a tad more than one-quarter of the shading power of its bigger brother"

    Should be:

    "GTX 1070 loses......"

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tunnah View Post
    Meh, 980Ti levels of performance, boatloads less power usage, and probably be about £330 when the AIBs are released. Y'all are too spoilt this is amazing.

    You're all talking about percentage increases in performance like that is what you're owed in a new card, which is just bizarre imo. It decimates the previous gen (compare it to a 980 not a 980Ti if you're gonna do the 670/580 comparison)
    It just shows you how much people have low expectations now.

    AMD and Nvidia have massively increased the price of the high end from under £450 to £500 to £700 and now people with such low expectations and short memories think this is brilliant.

    It really shows the whole point of "Halo" parts.

    You yourself bought a pair of GTX670 cards which destroyed the GTX580 at a much lower price point.

    The GTX980TI and Titan X "branding" is what the GTX285,GTX480 and GTX580 used to be. Instead Nvidia took the large die GPU cards rebranded them TI and Titan and bumped the price up.

    The GPUs under that were then pushed up one segment higher. An example with Fermi would be:
    1.)£400 to £450 GTX580 - Titan F with £700+ price
    2.)Sub £300 GTX570 - GTX580TI with £500+ price
    3.)£200 GTX560TI - GTX580 with £400+ price
    4.)Sub £200 GTX560 - GTX570 with £250 to £350 price
    5.)GTX550TI - GTX560


    AMD has been doing exactly the same.

    So let me get this you are so massively excited about what?

    1.)New node GTX470 was 20% faster than the previous high end GTX285
    2.)New node GTX670 was 20% faster than the previous high end GTX580
    3.)New node GTX1070 is barely faster than the previous high end GTX980TI and Titan X and costs £400 now and probably £320 to £350 later on
    4.)GTX970 on old node caught up and exceeded GTX780TI and cost £250


    It just shows you how low your expectations are the GTX970 on the same node did the same thing to the GTX780TI but did it cheaper.

    Trying to manage this by comparing this to lower performance previous parts seems rather weird.

    Now all of a sudden people like you are amazed after a nearly two node shrink with this?

    20NM was a failure - the 16NM and 14NM processes used by Nvidia and AMD are THIRD generation modified 20NM processes with Finfets.

    They not only have enhanced density but massively improved power over 20NM.

    It just shows how much people's expectations are managed by PR now.

    We had over 4 years of 28NM and this is the best we have?

    They actually believe they are spoilt just because of massively overpriced cards like the GTX980TI and Fury X.

    That means everyone waxing lyrical about this have just condemned the sub £300 market to more useless increases.

    I don't buy £300+ cards,but sub £250 ones and if the higher end cards have rubbish increases,it means people like me get screwed over.

    Have you not even released there is no £200 to £300 Pascal card yet??

    That means a GTX1060 or GTX1060 and probably Polaris will be lucky to see 10% to 20% increases over the GTX970 and R9 390 currently at a similar price.

    Any more than that it pushed dangerously close to the GTX1070.

    Plus if people have no expectations then companies will just release worse and worse increases.
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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarinder View Post
    Kalniel,

    The intention is never to be biased. The conclusion didn't read the way I had meant it to. The word sensible was used to infer that the GTX 1070 is a better buy than the GTX 1080 due to its improved bang4buck at resolutions that are playable. Also, given that partners are releasing cards at $379 (£329) makes it a far better buy than, say, GTX 980 Ti. AMD will have to go some to match this card's power/performance credentials with Polaris. I've had a think and rejigged the conclusion to make it fairer.
    Thanks, I understand what you mean more clearly now. I completely agree it would be quite a feat for AMD to match this cards power/performance, but as far as 'sensible purchasers' go AMD is probably going to be a better value proposition, especially in the long term (budgeting for several years gaming for example, whether that's one card vs several card purchases). But compared to 1080 you're definitely right.

    There is a danger though of a bit of halo-product de-sensitisation: Don't look at the high price in front of you, look! it's much cheaper than an insanely priced even higher end card so it must be a bargain! I've been jokingly referring to this in the 1080 thread - it's astonishing you're getting the performance of a £2400 card for such a 'bargain', but out and out is it sensible use of computer budget in the likely timeframe the card will be viable? Maybe worth looking into in an editorial one day about where best to put a gaming budget for long term best bang4buck.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    ...They not only have enhanced density but massively improved power over 20NM....
    Could it be similar to what we saw when Intel started shrinking nodes, I'm not saying it's a good thing or anything it's just maybe performance improvements become harder to come by as the fabrication process comes down, almost like hitting a cliff.

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    Re: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (16nm Pascal)

    Close but no cigar, the performance is basically the exact same as my two 970Sli system in the games that I play and are well supported by SLI scaling (GTAV, BF4, Project Cars) so just not enough for me to ditch my 970's for a single card.

    Looks like I'm going to have to wait for the 1080Ti for that, which won't be much more expensive than two 1070's.

    ..going to be a long wait.

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