Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti and RTX 2080

[HEXUS]

Revolution not evolution.

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[MrJim]

Impressive performance...but what a price! Are there really that many people willing to drop over a grand in order to play PC games?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Impressive performance...but what a price! Are there really that many people willing to drop over a grand in order to play PC games?

I have started a review thread:

https://forums.hexus.net/graphics-ca...ew-thread.html

Some of the review sites have been quite positive and others not so much.

Also remember,the FE this gen are apparently far better than the previous FE cards(apparently).

Edit!!

Apparently according to Asus,Turing was meant to be on Samsung 10nm but was backported to TSMC 12NM intsead(which is basically TSMC 16NM),so they had to go with mahoosive chips.

[Tunnah]

Genuine question: historically speaking, has a new product ever charged the consumer for the performance gain over the previous product before ?

I'm having a hard time thinking of anything. Normally the new product gives you a performance boost, for a generally acceptable price increase on the previous product. It's never "this is 40% faster, so it's 40% more expensive" (it's actually more than that in this case).

I know we've passed on the good ol' days of getting new gen at the price of the previous model (200 to 600 were the same price! Near enough anyway) but this price increase is disgusting.

[CAPTAIN_ALLCAPS]

It is a pity that Intel cannot get their graphics cards out to compete with this generation, given how much silicon looks like it has been dedicated to special features.

Whilst I really like the look of DLSS I would be much more tempted to buy 545mm2 / 754mm2 of pure current day graphics performance over promises (plus some more silicon wasted on raytracing, which I cannot see as anything more than a gimmick on this generation).

[CAPTAIN_ALLCAPS]

I have started a review thread:

Also remember,the FE this gen are apparently far better than the previous FE cards(apparently).

According to Buildzoid, the 2080Ti board - notably the power delivery - is so well built that there is little for third party vendors to improve on.

So getting a third party release card - which is often a custom cooler on top of a reference board - is probably fine this time round.

The only problem is the outrageous price gouging.

[ksdp37]

Yes, I'm quite impressed as I play 4K (have been for a while) and have to turn down a few settings to have a good frame rate. But then, why do I really need to see each strand of hair, how detailed the grass is, which direction the wind is blowing from and if the tree branches are swaying correspondingly.

It's nice to have some realism, otherwise we might as well stick to early 2000 games, but at 4K, I'm already capturing a reasonable amount of detail anyway, so probably want to focus more on the gameplay than the scenery.

Plus a ~35% gain over the 1080Ti at 70% extra cost is a big no no from me. I'll wait for the next gen cards or when the 2080 ti's are cheap on eBay!.

Let see what the red team comes up with in comparison. Even if it's between the 1080Ti and 2080Ti, if the price is right.....

[Kanoe]

Hexus, think you missed a bad. The Ti failed the Time Spy Stress Test showing that the cooling might not be quite up to it or they have scaled the fan profile back to ensure they don't make too much noise.

Also for current games as you pointed out its wasted at FHD or QHD resolutions but then with ray tracing to get a good frame rate you will want to run these resolutions. So it doesn't seem to fit.

[Kanoe]

Also interesting to see that the chip on the Ti is rotated 90 degrees compared to non Ti in order to fit everything on the board.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

According to Buildzoid, the 2080Ti board - notably the power delivery - is so well built that there is little for third party vendors to improve on.

So getting a third party release card - which is often a custom cooler on top of a reference board - is probably fine this time round.

The only problem is the outrageous price gouging.

It also means the previous FE are comparative worse off,but the new FE does look really well built though. I wonder who the OEM for them is??

Yes, I'm quite impressed as I play 4K (have been for a while) and have to turn down a few settings to have a good frame rate. But then, why do I really need to see each strand of hair, how detailed the grass is, which direction the wind is blowing from and if the tree branches are swaying correspondingly.

Some of the earlier games,like some from the FarCry series had dynamic weather systems,and dynamic fire systems,so if something caught fire it would spread in the direction of the wind and cause you or enemies danger,and damage stuff. Games like Red Faction and even Crysis had buildings which could be destroyed,etc.

It seems too many games nowadays seem to have forgotten to do things which were done yonks ago.

[Andi-C]

Would like to see how a custom/3rd party 1080ti stands up to ether RTX FE ?

[MrJim]

Looking at the various reviews, it seems that gaming at 1440p with a 2080ti is oftem cpu limited, even on an 8700K @ 5Ghz. So to get the most out of the 2080ti you should really be gaming at 4K, and to get the most out of that, you'll really be wanting a 4K 144Hz monitor. So that'll add another 2 grand to your system cost!

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Looking at the various reviews, it seems that gaming at 1440p with a 2080ti is oftem cpu limited, even on an 8700K @ 5Ghz. So to get the most out of the 2080ti you should really be gaming at 4K, and to get the most out of that, you'll really be wanting a 4K 144Hz monitor. So that'll add another 2 grand to your system cost!

Apparently according to DICE if you want to run BFV with RTX they suggested going for at least 6C/12T IIRC,so it will be interesting to see CPU benchmarks with RTX one in the supported games.

[c12038]

Just noticed on the GPUz its got Beta drivers 411.51 these are nowhere to be had on the internet are these exclusive to Hexus

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The RTX2070 is now nearly £600 it seems,which means there is a good chance a GTX2060/RTX2060 is going to be closer to £400 at this rate,and that assumes the same exchange rate today.

Also the Hexus review said this:

The RTX 2080 Ti is not the full implementation of the TU102 die. Rather, with it having a couple of SM units switched off and a narrower 352-bit memory bus - TU102 is specced with 384 bits - we can say that, clock for clock, it ought to provide about 95 per cent of the possible performance. Nvidia, it seems, keeps the full-fat die for the Quadro RTX 6000 chip that costs a whole heap more.

So that means a future Titan will cost even more.

The whole range has been pushed up now.

The GTX1080FE launched at $599($699 for the FE) minimum pricing and the GTX1070 at $379($449 for the FE) minimum pricing.





Months later when the full range was launched the GTX1080TI started at $700 and the Geforce Titan at $1200. The GTX980TI started at $650. So that is an increase in the 80TI series pricing from $650 to $1200 over three generations. The 70 and 80 series have gone up a minimum for $100 to $120,over the original launch,but when compared to when the full Pascal lineup was launched it is more like $150 to $200. Compare that to the GTX970 and GTX980 pricing too.

Now,also add the fact the pound is now weaker since the GTX1070/GTX1080 launch too.

[kalniel]

Wow. The 580 really spanks the 1060.