Palit GeForce RTX 2070 Dual

[Myss_tree]

It's a "Mid Range" Windows Licence.

So its not a closed window but neither fully open, just Midway.
Anyone remember the film "Battle of Midway"?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Cat, we don't always agree but your post above was pure gold. Bravo! XD

second hand 1080s are going to sell like hot cakes now! No way am I going to pay top tear prices for mid range cards while nvidia make billions in proffit! Really hoping AMD to come back fighting before I get an old 1080.

CAT-THE-FIFTH, I salute you sir <o.
Well done.

I was being serious...promise....can't u see I am using my serious face??

A Windows license is £180 now???

It's a "Mid Range" Windows Licence.

So its not a closed window but neither fully open, just Midway.
Anyone remember the film "Battle of Midway"?

I went for a "low end" Windows license and it was the best one available from Scan. The £90 one is the "peasant level" one.

This by extension also means that all PCs are low end or peasant level,and means we all need to switch to Macs. I feel so bad not listening to those documentaries with the thin and fat blokes I saw on TV.

Microsoft are undercharging way too much. How can anyone have respectable E-PEEN with such cheap pricing??

Microsoft needs to rectify this immediately by implementing a structured valued added program,known as LIPS(Lets Increase Prices Stupidly),and that will be met by loads of adoration by PC fans,as their Windows license becomes high end.

jobbies make games load faster? I'm not sure that's true

Yes,they do and if you had a "proper" mid-range PC you would have known that!! Jobbies are an important part of "mid-range" PCs!

[philehidiot]

ultra low end e-peen

ha!!

[Roobubba]

Given that it can't generally handle 1440p at 120fps, I'd argue it's more suited to 1080p (with eye candy) gaming...

For half a grand. Oof.

[spacein_vader]

Given that it can't generally handle 1440p at 120fps, I'd argue it's more suited to 1080p (with eye candy) gaming...

For half a grand. Oof.

How much of the market insists on 120fps to call something playable? I'd say 60fps is the standard as that's what most monitors and TVs support.

[philehidiot]

How much of the market insists on 120fps to call something playable? I'd say 60fps is the standard as that's what most monitors and TVs support.

Myself I don't mind it at all being around 30FPS and it doesn't get annoying until it drops below ~20FPS. That said, I can really tell the difference on youtube between 30 and 60FPS but not so much in games. Very odd.

[Tabbykatze]

I want to see Cats high end build

[Mr_Jon]

Can we not call it a monkey anymore?

[ohmaheid]

A bit cheeky for Hexus to call these parts 'mid-range'. The average graphics card is selling in the sub £300 range - so these are high-end cards by any stretch of the imagination.

[philehidiot]

A bit cheeky for Hexus to call these parts 'mid-range'. The average graphics card is selling in the sub £300 range - so these are high-end cards by any stretch of the imagination.

I think it's part of a restructuring of the market by several manufacturers and not everyone has got a handle on how to describe things asccurately yet. I personally see it as the old low-mid-high still existing but a new tier has been placed atop it which perhaps could be called extreme or something. It maybe started with the Titan, then there's HEDT processors with silly numbers of cores and now GPUs which are in this tier. The point is that these components are utterly overkill for the vast majority of people and you can still get your high end kit, just they've tried to drag the prices of that up as well and certainly the naming conventions are not helpful in allowing people to easily figure out where parts lay on the scale relative to last gen kit. In fact, I'd say the naming of parts, especially from Intel and Nvidia, has been done purposefully to make people think that to upgrade to the same point on the relative performance scale on the new gen kit that they must pay a lot more when it really isn't the case. I cite the messing with the i7 and i9 structure.

[Dashers]

I was looking forward to reviews of 2070, being an x70 tier purchaser, and a closet nvidia fanboy (I haven't had much luck with ATI/AMD).

Buy one, then get another when the prices come down and chuck them into SLI. But it seems we can't do that now. Nvidia have been pushing multi-GPU support further and further away. You used to be able to do it on entry level cards, then mid, and now just top end. It's a real shame because it's great bang for buck and gives you longevity (all bad for business).

I've got two 970 in SLI, which gives me ~8TFLOPS of power (raw number, I know). Somewhere between a 2070 and a 1080. The benchmarks show that the 2070 is a marginal improvement on a 1080, but not anything you'd notice.

There is no just incentive for me to buy, the progress has been disappointed, and I'm not going to go out and buy a non-SLI card if I can avoid it. AMD don't have anything inciting at a sensible price either at the moment so I'll make do. I've resigned myself to 1920x1080 resolution as anything higher needs a massive monitor to warrant it (and who wants to have to look around a lot on desktop gaming). I would like more FPS though to support a high refresh monitor that I do not own.

It would make more sense to buy a third 970 and chuck that into SLI (if I had any slots left). Prices of 1070s are still on the high side too, but I'd probably er towards two of those in terms of bang for buck if I was buying fresh - especially as second hand market should be available.

[aidanjt]

I personally see it as the old low-mid-high still existing but a new tier has been placed atop it which perhaps could be called extreme or something.

Or the mug-end.

[Iota]

Prices of 1070s are still on the high side too, but I'd probably er towards two of those in terms of bang for buck if I was buying fresh - especially as second hand market should be available.

Pair of the 1070Ti are roughly the same pricing as a pair of 1080 bought new. As a single card, the 1080 is pretty much on par with the 2070, but about £50 cheaper (around the £330 mark). The downside as mentioned above is that you know Nvidia will not optimise the drivers for the older cards now, instead giving priority towards the 20xx series.

[yeeeeman]

It is pretty simple. If the price is 500$, then it is ok to buy it instead of GTX1080. If more, no.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

ha!!

It might be Potato level E-PEEN at the current rate of mid-range "improvements".

I want to see Cats high end build

Scan is too mid-range. I might have to try OcUK instead.

[gordon861]

It is pretty simple. If the price is 500$, then it is ok to buy it instead of GTX1080. If more, no.

I think this is the answer, also the 2070 should pull ahead of the 1080 if/when RTX features start being added to game.

However, if you have a system that currently works and you don't need a new graphics card, you are probably best waiting to see what happens next.

Personally running a 980 right now, been looking forward to upgrading to a better card as I would like to go 4k at some point. But it looks like the 2070 isn't going to be enough to last into 4k, and the 2080 is just to damn expensive. So I will wait with my four year old card until I need to spend money to move to 4k instead of moving in stages as originally planned..