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The new AMD GPUs seem competitive with NVidia's 2060/2070 at various points, and sometimes even 2080, so it will pretty much come down to price, and individual games that people play. Hopefully a few months down the line we'll see something like a 5800/5800XT.
Ohh shxt....Now I dunno if a RTX 2060 Super is the best choice I can make at the moment.
Wow. Not a blow you away type performance, but quietly these cards are better performance and/or lower cost and lower power than nVidia, even after the 'super' refresh. I still think the 'mid-range' is too pricey, but if you're there then AMD have just won it.
Interesting review. It's a pity the partner cards are still 5 weeks away roughly, not sure if a blower card is for me.
Just on the AMD website, they state the RX 580 typically uses 185 W with a recommended 500 watt psu here:
https://www.amd.com/en/products/grap...#product-specs
But the RX 5700 they state it will typically use 180 W, with a recommended 600 W psu here:
https://www.amd.com/en/products/grap...#product-specs
Am I missing something here? Does the RX 5700 really need a 600W psu or is AMD just playing it safe? Maybe AMD can clarify on this at some point.
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My Corsair HX 520W will probably be fine having triple +12V rails etc. Might hold off and see if Doom Eternal has a nice RTX reveal at QuakeCon at the end of the month. I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia had that up their sleeve as a trump card of sorts.
Everyone who wanted an RTX GPU with the RT cut off at a lower price, here's just that (and on scan for less than 1USD:1GBP, which is nice). It's impressive how closely matched they are with the (more expensive) nvidia cards - the super series are consistently a couple of fps ahead and within a few watts, which is unexpected given the differences in architecture.
The cooler/fan curve is well designed too, matching a normal cooler for noise is impressive - I wonder how much that was helped by a higher core temp, and how much of the difference was down to the higher ambient?
Recommended PSU numbers are always useless, as long as you've got a reputable brand PSU then you can run it much closer to rated capacity then they suggest. Hexus tests their reviewed PSUs at full capacity, when's the last time they reported a PSU under review went pop?Quote:
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Yes that's what I figured.. just seemed odd the AMD site being a little inconsistent really on a big launch day etc.
Generally speaking 600W PSU's can withhold higher peaks compared to 500W psu's, I'm talking about apples to apples comparison here of equal quality PSU's. Its likely that RX 5700 has higher peak voltage draws that can stress or even short circuit a 500W psu.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hand
Technically speaking a high quality 500W psu should be perfectly fine for a RX 5700, but AMD is playing it safe by recommending a 600W psu.
I was thinking near enough the same thing, how close they are to the 60/70 supers makes it a really hard choice if they're priced the same (for some reason retailers don't seem to be listing prices for the supers currently). AMD have the advantage that they're clearly better in Vulkan titles but Nvidia have RTX so they both have added selling points outside of the similar average performance, if prices are the same I'd have go with AMD as Vulkan improves performance whereas RTX have the reverse effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xlucine
It should be really interesting to see what partners can do with these cards as i suspect with the right heatsink and further tuning these could just edge it over the supers, if the price is right.
Pricing is still a bit high for my liking, I don't game as much as I used to and I'm only at 1080p - my RX580 will be staying in my PC a while longer. I don't expect it'll be too long before we see a non-blower 5700 for <£300, then I might bite... I reckon Black Friday if not before.
If you have RX 580 at 1080p you might want to hang for another year. 4K should be really starting to break into the mainstream next year with next gen consoles arrving in Q4 2020 and I imagine the 7nm Geforce 3000 series RTX/GTX and Navi 20 cards in a similar time frame. 4K TN monitors will be going for under £/$200 as standard, 4K IPS maybe under £/$250 by then I think too.Quote:
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But yes I agree that if you really wanted to upgrade you may as well wait for Black Friday to get a sub £300 RX 5700. I doubt I can wait that long personally and might go for a sapphire,asus or gigabyte(if they sorted out the coil whine on their fans and if they provide 4 year warranty) RX 5700 AIB card next month at a rough £330 or less price.
Honestly can't believe people aren't making more of this everywhere - either I'm reading the results wrong or, at its declared target resolution of 1440p, the 5700 XT beats the 2060 Super - the card it's priced to march - in every game except Total War, and in 3 of the seven games it also beats the 25% more expensive 2070 super.
In fact, the cheaper 5700 beats the 2060 Super in 4 of the 7 games, at near-identical power draw - and it only loses to the price comparable plain 2060 in Total War, and then only by 1fps.
Is it just me? Is there something I'm missing?
AMD will be working on the drivers too like nobody's business, I think they might soon be overtaking the supers in more benchmarks.
Once somebody makes one with a better/quieter cooler I'm interested. Disappointing they haven't fixed the reference one that's been lackluster for years but in all other respects it's a very good card.
pricing for Supers shows on mine in the chrome > google searches. without clicking through to the shop site.Quote:
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https://www.google.com/search?q=rtx+...&bih=907#spd=0
the few on the shopping tab show Super 2060s at :
£379.98 for a zotac at ebuyer
and a gainward for £407.90 and £419.90 at alza.co.uk
pricing could be placeholders or the day 1 pricing from when they first appeared.
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Are you looking at a different temperature/noise chart to me? Because I'm seeing the 5700 @ only 4 degrees higher than the 2060 Super at the same power draw and sound level, and giving similar overall performance (i.e. no obvious signs of performance being compromised by throttling).Quote:
Originally Posted by spacein_vader
Reference coolers should lean more towards adequate than remarkable, because it gives partner cards room to breathe. NVidia aren't exactly streaming ahead here. Plus it's nice to know there's at least one blower-style cooler out there - they're better for cases with restricted internal airflow as they dump all the GPU heat out of the case instead of recirculating it...
Most review sites have very similar results. This shows that AMD took an old GPU Architecture and made it competitive enough to potentially dethrone Nvidia's top. There's absolutely no reason to purchase a RTX 2080 anymore. Thanks the the 5700 XT, the 2080 which we all already knew is Over-Priced. It's about time AMD takes back GPU market share once and for all.
Looking forward to a 5800 (XT) versions.
Better coolers cut both ways, so an aftermarket 5700XT has to compete with aftermarket supersQuote:
Originally Posted by Corky34
The pre-launch presentation where AMD compared the 2060 to the 5700 and the 2070 to the 5700XT has primed us all to continue with those comparisons, and just add "lower price" to the advantages column for the AMD cardsQuote:
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For your consideration ;):Quote:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMZNCxmFURA
Maybe but if the VII is anything to go by the AMD stock coolers are pretty pants whereas the Nvidia ones are much better. Obviously we don't know yet how close each already are to their maximum clocks so there's no know yet how much more a better cooler will unleash but i have my suspicion that aftermarket coolers will get more performance out of the 5700's than they will out of the supers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xlucine
Ah, I missed that one. Although, was that the originals or the Supers? Because the 2060 Super is a vanilla 2070 in all but name...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xlucine
I don't think the VII is anything to go by. I think AMD use the same underlying cooler design on all their stock cards. The Polaris cards were just plain quiet, the 5700s are a lot quieter than Vega/VII - afaict they have a standard design that will cope with TDPs up to around 300W if you max out the fan, and they adjust the fan profile to hit temps between 80 and 85 at target performance. That means a frugal card like the RX 480 can stay pretty quiet, while a power-hogging monster like Vega 64 or VII sounds like it's trying to make LEO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corky34
From AMD's partners' point of view it's ideal, as their custom designs are always going to look great compared to the reference. And as long as the card hits its performance targets in reviews I suspect AMD don't care that much either. The delay with getting partner designs out is a problem (IMNSHO, anyway), and we'll have to see where partner card pricing ends up - if they have to add a $50 premium for a beefier cooler than the value proposition against NVidia vanishes. But perhaps the 6 week delay for partner cards will be enough to let them trim the prices slightly...
I'm starting to get really narked off with Steve from Gamers Nexus, he seems to have a really big pine cone up his ass whenever AMD stuff comes across his desk.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hand
FYI, arctic have updated the product pages for most of their GPU coolers to include 5700 support:
https://www.arctic.ac/uk_en/products/cooling/vga.html
Including this one, rated for 300 W:
https://www.arctic.ac/uk_en/ax4.html
https://static.arctic.ac/media/catal...iv_g00_1_2.jpg
Making the best cooled 5700 XT ever is kind of tempting - it'll cost 16% more for the best arctic cooler, and it's been reported than over-the-top cooling on the 5700 gives 10-20% more performance... It's not usual to get a linear increase in performance with cost in high end graphics
So these latest drivers have dropped performance in older cards. That sucks, AMD are usually very careful not to do that and hopefully it will get fixed in an upcoming release.
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/amds-late...in-some-games/
There is an assumption in that article that there is also a drop in the new cards, but it strikes me there is no evidence either way for that conclusion.
There are quite a few people modding the 5700 with older AMD GPU coolers as well, with some small modifications. There has also been some investigation into bios tweaks to make the 5700 perform much closer to the XT which suggests that the 5700 has some software lockdown on it. Depending on the silicone lottery and binning process you might be able to push the 5700 with a custom cooler quite hard. Timmy Joe has a YouTube video where he's compiled some of this knowledge into a working device - he's annoying to watch but the theory is sound.Quote:
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