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    Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    Anyone fancy injecting liquid onto their solid-state drive?
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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    It's a liquid heatsink lol. So daft.

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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    65°C without heatsink and 62°C with. A few millilitres of water doesn't seem to do an awful lot...

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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    It positively rolls off the tongue

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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    I must be really stupid but I don't see how the liquid can cool if it's in a plastic container, now if you could add it to a loop, that might interest me.

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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    "it'll take a brave soul to want to inject liquid in such close proximity to a storage device."

    Why? If you spill any, just put the plug back in the filler port and rinse the whole drive under the tap. Make sure it's left to dry thoroughly and it'll be fine.
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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    That plastic cell containing liquid is just a heat soak. It doesn't really dissipate any generated heat but merely absorbs it. They need a nice finned heatsink stuck on the top to get rid of the heat effectively. Better yet, get rid of the water filled heat soak all together and stick the finned heatsink directly onto the drives components. Added bonus is no potential fluid leaks and cheaper. Daft product.

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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    As PCIe 4 and NVMe mature and drives are pushed even further I could see inclusion in a loop becoming the norm, so kudos to these guys to bring it attention, but this implementation is daft.

    I do look forward to the day all the mobo manufacturers get these wacky shroud/heat-sink ideas out of their system and a regular layout and spacing allow some good blocks on the market

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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    We know water is great at taking heat away, but the water isn't going anywhere so in theory could hit maximum cooling capacity.

    The big thing missing with these things is that in reality you are better off letting the nand run hot (they run faster and live longer), the controller on the other hand could do with cooling to sustain high transfers.

    I know it goes against what we generally try and do but some things work better when hot.

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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    We know water is great at taking heat away, but the water isn't going anywhere so in theory could hit maximum cooling capacity.
    You mean it could boil? A properly steampunk SSD could be awesome

    As for working better hot, as long as you don't hit thermal throttling and fall off that performance cliff.

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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    What a stupid idea, this needs to actually hook into a heatsink to be effective in anyway.

    Water is good at taking the heat away in comparison to air but if all you have done is hold a few ml of water around the area you are trying to cool then you are NOT moving the hot water anywhere thus the cool performance is almost non existant. How the hell did this even get released? I thought I came up with some daft ideas at times but this takes the mick...
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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    Daft idea, just plain daft

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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    I'm waiting for a motherboard maker to team up with a custom chassis designer, to experiment with a water-cooled "jacket" that fits between a motherboard tray and the bottom side of an ATX motherboard. Yes, I realize that this is a wild and crazy idea. Nevertheless, in the interest of science, if nothing else, I predict that something can be learned from such an experiment. For example, we have a cheap Rosewill mid-tower that has a fan grill located directly below the CPU socket. Our first try failed, because the 120mm fans in the top of the chassis were so strong, they caused that side panel fan to run backwards. So, we merely reversed that side panel fan, so it now blows INWARD, directly at the CPU socket. If that water jacket idea is just not practical, increased cooling air across the underside of HEDT motherboards might be worth the effort. (Just thinking out loud here: hope this helps.)

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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    It's not a crazy idea, SSDs are bursty race-to-idle devices (unlike the rest of the system, which tends to get tested in steady state conditions). Water is one of the best materials for storing heat (both in specific and volumetric measures), so this'll give a lot of thermal intertia. If it has 20 ml of fluid, fr'example, then you can run a hypothetical 10 W SSD for a minute with a temp rise of only 7 C (ignoring the thermal mass of the rest of the device). The rate of heat shedding could be improved, if that reservoir is acrylic (and shedding 5 W of heat over ~80x20mm) then I figure temperature drop of ~15 C per mm thickness. I'd like to see essentially a vapour chamber filled with water with some fins soldered on the top for ultimate SSD cooling - plenty of mass for bursty workloads, but good heat shedding performance to cool down in-between loading zones in games

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    You mean it could boil? A properly steampunk SSD could be awesome

    As for working better hot, as long as you don't hit thermal throttling and fall off that performance cliff.
    Heatpipes are as steampunk as it gets
    1) boiling water
    2) exposed brass (really copper, but it looks the part)
    3) exposed pipework

    The only way you could improve on that is if you put a dial or a corset on a heatpipe

    Quote Originally Posted by MRFS View Post
    I'm waiting for a motherboard maker to team up with a custom chassis designer, to experiment with a water-cooled "jacket" that fits between a motherboard tray and the bottom side of an ATX motherboard. Yes, I realize that this is a wild and crazy idea. Nevertheless, in the interest of science, if nothing else, I predict that something can be learned from such an experiment. For example, we have a cheap Rosewill mid-tower that has a fan grill located directly below the CPU socket. Our first try failed, because the 120mm fans in the top of the chassis were so strong, they caused that side panel fan to run backwards. So, we merely reversed that side panel fan, so it now blows INWARD, directly at the CPU socket. If that water jacket idea is just not practical, increased cooling air across the underside of HEDT motherboards might be worth the effort. (Just thinking out loud here: hope this helps.)
    I see what you're trying to do, but it would be hard (given all the soldered pins poking out the back of motherboards) and most of the hot parts are off the motherboard (either socketed CPU or the GPU). The obvious things to cool are the VRMs, and you can already get cooling kits for those

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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    https://www.pcgamer.com/origin-pc-fo...a-motherboard/

    Origin PC found a way to dress up the backside of a motherboard


    https://thinkcomputers.org/origin-pc...erboard-mount/

    ORIGIN PC Introduces an Internal Liquid Cooling Distribution Motherboard Mount
    Last edited by MRFS; 15-08-2019 at 09:42 PM. Reason: removed bookmark

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    Re: Team Group Cardea Liquid M.2 PCIe SSD (512GB)

    Quote Originally Posted by MRFS View Post
    https://www.pcgamer.com/origin-pc-fo...a-motherboard/

    Origin PC found a way to dress up the backside of a motherboard


    https://thinkcomputers.org/origin-pc...erboard-mount/

    ORIGIN PC Introduces an Internal Liquid Cooling Distribution Motherboard Mount
    It's a neat reservoir, but the only bit that could possibly cool things is the tiny bit behind the southbridge - the rest is going to be more insulating than cooling, PMMA is not a good cold plate material

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