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if the only thing that is bad is the color then why write it, am much more of a stat person than looks, likewise tht m2s is not the most visible item anyway, so please please if anything, if you are going to write anything bad... put in a real factor or something.
Not super snappy, but way faster than any SSD, so i am thinking with spare sockets on my motherboard, why not put something like this in instead of a SSD.
And you don't have the 2 cables to contend with,,,,,, big bonus when you like me are cable anal.
my corsair gets 3500 if you can find one in stock
force MP510 960 gig
yeah for nearly 3x the price ..Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
ebuyer has them on for £56 just ordered one :)
Paid £115 last August for 960 gig. It's £46.56 for the Kingston 250 gig one, last week the Corsair 250 gig which is 2500 was £48. 500 gig Corsair was available just after Christmas at £72 with 3500 speedQuote:
Originally Posted by flearider
yeah so I got the 500g one for £56Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
MP510 owner here too. At £117 they're just in a perfect price point - not much more expensive than SATA, and weirdly cheaper than any other M.2. I kinda want another one. I'm tempted to buy one now, because although the memory price scaremongering rarely comes true, I hate leaving it to chance and don't wanna end up paying £150 for it down the line.
Decent price....Quote:
Originally Posted by flearider
Not super technical here but...given there isn't much of a price diff...why would anyone buy the Kingston KC600 vs. this?
600 is SATA, 2000 is M.2. People with the choice would go M.2 but M.2 is still relatively new (hey it rhymed woo) (and that did too) (OK I'll stop now). There's still years of life in SATA, hell I doubt M.2 will ever replace it, or it's going to be a very long time, because SATA is still more than enough for pretty much everything, and the leap in time saved is marginal at best, it's not the sort of leap we seen (or will ever see again) when comparing spinning iron vs SATA.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbok11
Also OMG who remembers their first SATA. I miss those days. The giant leaps of progress we used to get. CRT to LCD. 1080p to 4K. Dial up to broadband. And then broadband to fibre! It really feels like the giant leaps are over.
Erm whilst what you say is correct the difference from a SATA to my Force MP510 is huge. And yes it makes a huge difference, Win 10 in under 10 secs compared to 30 secs, so 3 times faster in real terms. And with gen4 available it's an even bigger jumpQuote:
Originally Posted by Tunnah
Sounds like the normal effect of a fresh install of Windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
Then your SATA drive sucked! And that's not to say mine is high end, like a Samsung or owt like that. One is a Sandisk Ultra II, the other is a Crucial MX300 (doesn't sound right, it's what properties say, I think it's a 500 though), and I swapped between them for windows installs, and while the M.2 is definitely snappier once you get to the point between logging in and being free of loading, it's more like a 5s difference rather than a 25.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
Most games don't perform any better, but some are measurably so. Witcher 3 is the stand out - especially with mods. When you're in a city (Oxenfurt for example) I used to get that constant grey'ing and stuttering while it loads things in. However I also went from DDR3-1333 to DDR4-3600 at the same time, so who knows which has the more benefit.
Opening a browser is the standout for me, it legit feels like it opens before I even click it. But again, that's vs taking a second, MAYBE 2.
I reinstall windows every 6 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by edmundhonda
Wasn't the best, and wasn't the worst. But going to nvme has resulted in huge performance gains. Mileage varies of course but crystal disk says the nvme drive is around 5 times faster. And we have gone to DDR4 from DDR3 but subjectively the system feels a whole lot smoother. Diminishing returns has been mentioned and I agree - but I don't agree that it doesn't make a huge difference when combined with other advances
How does this compare to the ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro M.2-2280 NVME?
Oh ya the thing is it's all subjective and opinion. There's no right or wrong here; what I consider to be a step you could count as a leap, and just as easily in a different area it could be switched. I am glad though that you feel like you got your leap. Because really, is there any better feeling in the PC space ?Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
Me personally, I'm excited for the 3080Ti. I skipped the 2080Ti, as I was supremely miffed at the price vs performance gain. But the 3080Ti, hopefully not jacking up the price AGAIN (wouldn't put it past nvidia though), is looking to be a 50% performance gain on the 1080Ti, and that'll be well worth the frankly absurd cost it's no doubt going to be.
Or hell they might push the boat out, and let people use raytracing on 1440p! Forget crystal clear 4K gaming, who doesn't want ever so slightly better lighting at half the resolution!
(Sorry for the dripping sarcasm, but god damn do I hate nvidia and their raytracing throat-funning they're doing to us)
That adata is about the same speed/spec as my Force MP510 and is a fair bit faster than the Kingston. However as the discussion says you may not see all of the performance increaseQuote:
Originally Posted by Ciber
New pc feeling is immense. So much so my music pc is now roughly the same spec...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunnah
The music pc however needed it as newer software and instruments have pushed the old AMD rig (and still 32-bit) into a semi-retirement except I have some hardware that needs a 32-bit OS to work and I have no plans to ditch it yet. It will work fine standalone but for some things it only has 32-bit driver support
;)
My system feels a whole lot smoother after going from DDR3 to DDR4, and I'm still on the same SATA drive ;) Motherboard ans CPU must have helped.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
I expect NVMe to win out in the end though. You can get a SATA drive to go in an M.2 slot, so you basically get the same firmware and circuitry as a 2.5in SATA drive. The difference is that the 2.5in drive needs a power and SATA connector, the plastic case that pads the small circuit board out into something bulky enough to fit a 2.5in bay, and the manual assembly process of putting the board in the case. In short, M.2 is cheaper to make.
If you accept M.2 dominance, I think it is only a matter of time for NVMe to displace SATA in the same M.2 socket. The extra performance is a bonus I will happily accept.
Occasionally the performance does make a difference. I got a WD Black SSD to go in a server at work to use as a swap drive. It has a lot of virtual machines on it, and paging one in from spinning rust was painful. A small swap drive was cheaper than an extra 32GB of ECC DDR4, and takes the visible pauses out of using the system. That was an NVMe drive, nothing else made sense in that usage.
I imagine that going AMD with an X570 would make a difference as well. I'm not knocking what people are saying but at the moment, getting a sata ssd if you have an m.2 slot seems pointless. I have bought 2 x brand new systems as it has made a huge difference in productivity for me...Quote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
I would go for (and did) the silicon power NVMEs, same controller as the MP510.
256GB £35.99
512GB £59.99
1TB £109.99
Prices correct on amazon right now
Good prices as the MP510 has been replaced by the MP610 it seemsQuote:
Originally Posted by Percy1983
Seems the mp610 is the PCI-E 4 update/version so will cost more, I guess it won't be a direct replacement as such and the mp510 will still be going. Its a good reference point as the silicon power units aren't as reviewed but I did find a direct comparison to the mp510 and they where basically identical (due to the same hardware).Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandyGood prices as the MP510 has been replaced by the MP610 it seemsQuote:
Originally Posted by Percy1983
As it is I have an x570 board and stuck with PCI-E 3 NVME's based on cost, also I guess we might be getting into diminishing returns in real world performance
Double the bandwidth though the ssd's haven't caught up yet. I guess a gen4 card with 4 x ssd's on it if you want to be mad lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Percy1983
If you're going to put it in a gaming rig with a glass sided case and RGB lighting, I suppose the look of the PCB might matter. If you're going to put it in a laptop or a business desktop it doesn't matter at all; nobody will see it. I'd happily have one of these; it looks like nice value for money, and I'd rather put the money saved on a prettier board toward something that will improve performance like stepping up to a slightly nicer graphics card or just keep it in my pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuorTek
I thought that was the case so with the ADATA being roughly the same price as the Kingston for 512GB and 1tb sizes it should be mentioned in this review and compared really. A bit of a big omission on the part of Hexus TBH.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
The price of the 256GB kingston is great if you only need a small drive though.
At roughly the same price for better performance I would always choose the NVMe and that's where we're at. So the only reason to choose SATA is if you don't have an NVMe socket available.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
Agreed. The real bad is there is are faster drives for the same money as in the ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro M.2-2280 NVME.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuorTek
All down to use case. The huge L3 cache of the 3700X made a massive difference for me, given my everyday task is compiling code with gcc which works nicely across lots of threads when the entire compiler fits in on package cache. But for storage access, 16GB of ram is enough that my entire source is cached in RAM so doesn't have to be read from SSD. Write speed isn't as important for me, I have a prompt back and the CPU is idle, Linux can (and will) trickle the data back to SSD in its spare time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
So NVMe is nice, but I'm not going to replace what I already have.