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340w shows that NV pushed it hard to get the required performance...
Big card, big power draw but capable of big results. Not for me however
Priced at £689.99 in the Scan advertising links within the article.
Priced at £739.99 on the Scan website.
Let the rip-offs begin!
We were told by Asus UK, categorically, that it would be £689.99. Given there is so little stock, if any, the inevitable price gouging is taking place, which is super-frustrating for all concerned.
Presumably this lack of stock is planned and deliberate (on the part of NVidia here, not any 3rd party vendors I mean)? Announce cheap, limit day 0 availability to allow the market to inflate prices from the original announcement, then release stock to sell once it's become the new accepted price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarinder
Or am I just an old cynic?
It's good to see some significant performance improvements with this generation. I'm really hoping that AMD can have a good cycle with big navi so we get some proper competition again. My totally unfounded suspicion when I heard the original announcement from Nvidia and their initial pricing was "what do they know about AMD that we don't yet know?" I fluctuate between this and the aforementioned "so few available at the announced price" loss-leader type of scenario to encourage sales.
I hope I'm wrong!
I would guess the price gouging is being done by retailers. If Asus say that they consider the price locked at £689, then they will not be varying and increasing the wholesale price when they supply retailers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roobubba
No manufacturer wants to flood the market only they are in and drive down prices so I wouldn't say it's cynical, it's fairly normal, and it ties in with availability of chips from the fab - if you start getting them you don't want to sit on inventory and delay your entry into market, especially if you're trying to beat a competitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roobubba
So given the choice between delaying release and having lots of availability and launching earlier and having less availability there's only one they're going to pick. AMD would do exactly the same.
well I compare with the 1080ti and 5700XT in alot of the 1440p and 1080p area, and what I look at is that it currently does not have any improvement over the big Nvidia.
What are they selling again, is my good question, would I need a 4K monitor, for still half assed FPS?
Yes indeed, I managed to get one at the original price (only a pre-order for Oct), glad I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by phoenix198
here's how a certain website fared. Listed at 2am, all gone by 2pm. Only £1 price fluctuation though :D
https://i.ibb.co/41sYZN0/rtx3080-tuf-amzn.jpg
Doesn't make sense. Nvidia charge per chip, not as a percent it was finally sold as. Limiting availability to inflate costs doesn't benefit nvidia at allQuote:
Originally Posted by RoobubbaPresumably this lack of stock is planned and deliberate (on the part of NVidia here, not any 3rd party vendors I mean)? Announce cheap, limit day 0 availability to allow the market to inflate prices from the original announcement, then release stock to sell once it's become the new accepted price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarinder
Or am I just an old cynic?
It's good to see some significant performance improvements with this generation. I'm really hoping that AMD can have a good cycle with big navi so we get some proper competition again. My totally unfounded suspicion when I heard the original announcement from Nvidia and their initial pricing was "what do they know about AMD that we don't yet know?" I fluctuate between this and the aforementioned "so few available at the announced price" loss-leader type of scenario to encourage sales.
I hope I'm wrong!
It's a 4K card that lets you finally turn all settings onto max, this has been the dream for at least 5 years now (longer for some early adopters). And very much a viable 144hz 4K card too with settings turned down; a LOT of settings add basically nothing, especially at higher resolutions, for some ridiculous fps hits (volumetrics I'm looking at you), so I could see this being a really good card for 90-120hz and culling a few more settings for 144hz.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuorTek
I have a 1080Ti and mostly game at 70-80% resolution scaling to get a constant 60fps, so it works out if this card is roughly doubly as capable, that it's possible to get 100+fps on the 3080
Where is administration?
It is important.
Thanks.
You're right it doesn't make sense to limit availability to AIBs. But as for the FE cards there is every reason to take the top binned chips, slap on an expensive cooler, hardly make any profits but get the great review recommendations at launch based on the $700 MSRP and have no intention of ever selling them at volume. And just leave AIBs to deal with the pricing mess which will have to end up higher than $700 realistically. It wouldn't explain why there is no stock of AIB cards, that's probably just down to less nefarious reasons of high demand and low yields initially.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunnah
Would that be too cynical? I would say probably except Nvidia did this exact same thing with 2080Ti when it launched with EVGA for $999. They probably sold double digits for that price before it got jacked up to its real price of $1200... And the FE cards this time don't cost $100 more than AIB cards, they cost the same despite being better binned and having a very expensive cooler so of course reviews will be good and demand will be high. But where is the stock? It's just very shady as usual from Nvidia and the bad taste they left from the 2000 series hasn't gone away...
It's not cynical it's just...absolute nonsense lol. What are you even saying ? I legit can't understand the conspiracy theory you're even trying to make!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhaoman
OK I'm going to have to do this bit by bit because you're hurting my head.
Top binned parts are used for overclocking. The FE cards are the lowest clocked parts! All AIB cards come in with some form of overclock. And even if they didn't, they'd be the same speed. But I just don't get the point you're trying to make.Quote:
But as for the FE cards there is every reason to take the top binned chips, slap on an expensive cooler, hardly make any profits but get the great review recommendations at launch based on the $700 MSRP and have no intention of ever selling them at volume.
AIBs don't deal with the pricing mess tho, that is the retailers. The AIBs pay a fixed price for their chips, but retailers negotiate prices with them or distributors. But because of amount of stocks bought, and/or just general relationships, the prices can fluctuate due to vendors "bidding" for the stock - if retailer A says they want 1000 units for X price, but retailer B comes along and goes "no wait I'll pay X price plus 10% if you sell to me instead" then the AIB will shift stock around. On top of that you also just have retailers increasing prices because of demand. It's a poo thing to do, but it's business. (I'm applying my experience in another field here I don't know if this is 100% how it works with PC consumer parts)Quote:
And just leave AIBs to deal with the pricing mess which will have to end up higher than $700 realistically. It wouldn't explain why there is no stock of AIB cards, that's probably just down to less nefarious reasons of high demand and low yields initially.
A lot of shady stuff went on with the 2080Ti but it nvidia trying to make a few extra bucks wasn't one of em. You gotta remember, the 20 series had a buttload of money sunk into R&D costs, it was an expensive leap forward that we ended up paying for; they forced us to adopt technology that was nowhere ready because they had to recoup the insane R&D costs. A lot of people say it had something to do with mining which isn't true either, mining from dGPUs was a very short term bubble.Quote:
I would say probably except Nvidia did this exact same thing with 2080Ti when it launched with EVGA for $999. They probably sold double digits for that price before it got jacked up to its real price of $1200... And the FE cards this time don't cost $100 more than AIB cards, they cost the same despite being better binned and having a very expensive cooler so of course reviews will be good and demand will be high. But where is the stock?
I just can't figure out your conspiracy, and not because it's outrageous, but genuinely because I can't see the point you're trying to make from it. But overall it seems you're thinking nvidia is trying to chip a bit more money from consumers, when the effort needed to do that in conjunction with all the moving parts doesn't make sense at the best of times, but is extra ridiculous when you factor in they're a ginormous manufacturer of millions of GPUs, this is some petty bullpoop to them
Doesn't it just make more sense to you that A) demand is off the scale; it's an amazing card at the best of times, but considering how many consumers were outright disgusted with what they pulled in the 20 series, this felt like some serious redemption, and finally consumers are getting an actual full-fat 4K card (a card that I'll admit I genuinely didn't expect for another generation, AT LEAST), and the demand is so high that tons of websites were crashing left and right
And B) We're IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC THINGS ARE A LITTLE MESSED UP IN SUPPLY CHAINS.
Cmon buddy ;)
Our friendly US buddies up in arms. Over there everywhere sold out in around an hour....
Rumours abounding that the 3090 will not be available in more than 4 figures ever (yes that means less than 10,000 cards manufactured) with yields so poor up the very top end that 99% don't make the grade
Of course they are rumours/leaks/speculation but it all appears to be a pretty bad state of affairs for NV. Perhaps they should have scaled back the hype train a tad
Also rumours that they have already stopped making FE cards and as we've seen here the partner cards are more expensive
Rumours from where though? there are rumours and then there are rumours. You know like Messi going to Newcastle Utd vs Bale going to Spurs level of difference.
Maybe it doesn't make sense because our assumptions are different? I don't know so let's have a look anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunnah
I thought it was common knowledge that Nvidia keep the best binned (with most overclocking headroom) chips for themselves in their FE cards? At least they did this for 2000 series and charged a $100 premium for FE. This time around I don't see anyone saying anything differently so my assumption was that the 3000 series FE cards are also top binned with the best overclocking headroom so please correct me if I am wrong on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunnah
Provided the above, what is interesting this time is that the FE cards are not priced $100 above AIB cards, in fact they have the same MSRP $700. What is known for sure is that the FE cards have a very expensive cooler installed. What is also widely rumoured is that yields are low.
Assuming all of the above then, I don't think it's a wild stretch of the imagination to see that Nvidia have provided a FE edition card that overclocks the best out of all the cards possible, has an expensive cooler that will keep noise down and a lower than expected MSRP - the combination of which will garner the most favourable reviews possible at launch. It seems Nvidia are selling the FE cards at barely a profit, or at least much lower profit than they did with the 2000 series FE which had a $100 higher MSRP than AIB cards which made sense. The only conspiracy theory then is that Nvidia may have no intention of selling these FE cards at volume. This is conjecture so I don't know.
The point about AIBs having to deal with the pricing mess is that it is not possible for them to hit the MSRP of $700 with the above characteristics and still make a decent margin because, at the very least, an equivalent performing cooler will drive up the cost. So AIBs end up making models with RRPs greater than $700 and this is the real price of the cards consumers will see. So the MSRP from Nvidia is somewhat deceptive. I am not talking about retailers scalping due to high demand, that is on top of the AIB RRP prices and I agree with you it's nothing to do with AIBs and is separate to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunnah
I wasn't talking about embodied costs or the rights and wrongs of any of that. I was literally just taking and accepting Nvidia's own MSRPs at face value and comparing them to real prices. The 2080Ti was launched at $999 MSRP which EVGA produced a limited number of cards at that price which was for all intents and purposes enough for review samples and for the MSRP of $999 to be publicised. And then most AIB cards ended up costing $1200 or more. There is no conspiracy here, this is just a statement of what happened after the 2080Ti launch. It's not a comment on R&D costs or mining or any other factors, it's their own MSRP compared with final retail prices. What happened there was a little sly in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunnah
Yeah it genuinely could be. But if you look around the comments sections, not many people seem to have got hands on one yet. Even retailers are openly saying they haven't had deliveries or have had single digit deliveries of 3000 series cards. I'm not saying Nvidia are trying to chip a bit more money from consumers - they would have simply priced it higher and we know they are well capable of that when they know they can (2000 series). If I was to deduce why, it seems likely that they know they have poor yields and they are concerned about what AMD may bring shortly. So they are doing all they can to launch their cards in the best light possible, with some questionable marketing practices. I'm not talking about conspiracies, I'm just deducing from what I can see and what many reviewers and commentators have said along the same lines. I hope that makes sense and I'm happy to hear what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tunnah
Indeed - I am a bit sceptical like you! But the usual suspects in the US like Moores Law Is Dead, and the other youtuber's that were 90% right about everything else. Heck even LTT are saying similarQuote:
Originally Posted by ik9000
Going on what GN said in their tear-down they're not doing that this time around, that was a 2080 only thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhaoman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX9Eh_NaC5c
(23min timestamp)
I want to get the Stix version, the style and colour are awesome
Will be interesting to see how the Strix performs if the TUF is meant to be the "budget" option. Wish the founders edition used a 3 slot cooler like the 3090 to be honest, or at least offered it as an option.
I had a look on a website of a high street retailer who listed it on a search engine as they showed a price
It's had 54,000 views in 24 hours.
And this is the big thing people are ignoring. It's not so much that yields are low, or stock is low, it's that demand is high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zak33
I really want to see how the TUF non-OC performs vs the OC and how it overclocks against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orcworm
The entire serious looks really weird because it doesn't really overclock too well from what we've seen from reviewers and the Strix non-OC factory clocks are lower than the TUF OC even though the Strix is mean to be a more premium product, hope Asus put out some binning information about them.
How do you even get one though? You have reviews coming out for stuff you can't even buy, no eta, no updates no nothing.