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About LinkBacksECC RAM seems to work with supported motherboards:
https://youtu.be/ExMZ6f-p8hM?t=519
Level1Techs is going to another video on it.
ECC RAM seems to work with supported motherboards:
https://youtu.be/ExMZ6f-p8hM?t=519
Level1Techs is going to another video on it.
DanceswithUnix (04-08-2021)
I do prefer a CPU with even the most basic onboard graphics. It doesn't have to game or do anything other than enable me to use my PC in the event of a GPU failure. It's redundancy. I'm sure other people keep spare parts around, but I prefer to sell or give mine away (if there's hardly any value) so they actually get used. There's also the potential for troubleshooting with IGP which makes it easier to diagnose a problem without digging out an old card and performing a swap.
But, would I pay more for redundancy like that? Unlikely. It appeals in the current market as acquiring a cheap GPU is impossible. But in normal times I didn't resent getting a GPU with my i5. I also like having sound on board in case I need it (I use a discrete sound card) and I won't object to a mobo with integrated wifi, although I use an alfa adaptor because I'm l33t.
I like redundancy and I like options if I can get them at a price befitting their use as redundancy.
but is this the "only does part of the job, doesn't check all ECC errors" affair similar to past examples?Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
I think he will be investigating it in more detail later.
With the 3000 series AMD chips without official support they fix the errors just as well as the server & pro chips. But you need to be running Linux to get any error reporting. So under Windows a single bit fault will be silently fixed, a double bit fault will be detected and cause a bluescreen or system restart as there isn't enough redundancy to correct double bit errors.
Interesting that in that video they say there weren't any ECC options in the BIOS on the Asrock motherboard. I didn't see any in the BIOS of my Asrock B550M board with 3600X that I have as a home server, but the Linux kernel reports the ECC detected just fine. Perhaps they only switch on those options on pro models with official support?
Yep. Sad huh? And quite out of character for AMD.
I'm sure I've seen things like the HP MIcroserver using AMD Pro chips with ECC in the past as well. I just don't get why they would disable a feature like that. Specially one that is pretty much inherently self testing like ECC.
Awesome, I shall try and keep an eye out for that.
OFC it might not have kernel support yet.
No PCIe 4.0 support,IGP still based on older technology,half L3 cache, a pointless cpu.
A missed opportunity,could have been so good...
otherwise why would anybody bother with a pro version? Simple really.....
Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!
I have a build for someone that this will be perfect for if it is in stock at a decent price. No need for any discrete gpu in this build....
We shall see - I could also use some apu's if I decide to go for an upgrade to one of my servers, which is stuck on an X5670 because it has proper ECC support as it runs ZFS filesystem as it's my main backup solution
Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!
Except only the likes of HP could ever buy the Pro versions. So it isn't really the same market?
There is a market for people who just don't need the cutting edge. This clearly isn't a massive performance CPU. Most people don't need PCIe 4 and most people certainly have no need for PCIe 4 SSDs (and even less need for the thermal issues they present - it's a low TDP chip). The IGP might as well be based on older tech as it's not competing with anything new and spangly.
I think AMD have come to the conclusion that people who want outright performance just don't spend extra on IGP and will go for a discrete card.
If your aim is high performance, then no, this won't meet that aim. I'd argue it isn't meant to and I'd also argue that there's a good market for reliable bog standard trucks, even if you think a sports car is better.
If your aim is to get a functioning PC with a decent mid-range CPU, low heat and usable graphics for light gaming without mortgaging your children, I expect this appeals greatly in the current marketplace.
Another hardly used account AMD bashing....
I just want the extra core count over my 3400G, this does that job, has generation updates as well as still fitting in the same AM4/x570 motherboard I have now...
I am uncertain whether at £330 it makes any sense for mainstream DIY builds. People who use IGPs for gaming in my realworld experience,especially for a DIY build are very budget conscious. Even as a person who has exclusively been on Shuttle form factor and mini-ITX systems since 2005,this is still a niche product for DIY. For example if you want a small DIY NUC-like system in something like an InWin Chopin,or in the case of a server,where the IGP would be useful.
So something like a Ryzen 5 2400G/3400G at under £150 made some sense. This is over double that. A Ryzen 5 5600G might make some sense at its approximate £225 RRP. This is because its basically a bit better Ryzen 5 3600 with an £80~£90 GT1030/RX550 equivalent GPU(or slightly worse).
However,at the price-point of a Ryzen 7 5700G,you can get a Core i5 11400F/10400F or Ryzen 5 3600,and a GTX1050TI which is going to be faster. GTX1050TI and GTX1650 GPUs are not too hard to get now. Even for a bit more a Ryzen 7 3700X/Core i7 10700F when they have been around £200ish.
It makes far more sense in OEM prebuilt desktops,where I suspect you might be able to find a complete Ryzen 7 5700G system,for less than building it yourself.
The IGP means you can squish this 8 core chip into a 1U case. It's an entire packaging option that just isn't available when you start adding a GPU into the build, with the pain of needing a riser card and cable because even in a 2U case the GPU is going to be parallel to the motherboard not plugged into it and you need to find a single slot width GPU which means either a fail in 5 minutes tiny fan on a low end GPU or taking out another mortgage to put in a low end Quadro card.
This chip has 16 threads so can support a lot of virtual machines, and in a tiny form factor, and unlike the Intel options doesn't require a £300 SuperMicro motherboard. Really, it's awesome for small server use. Am I getting too excited? Probably
And that's exactly where my usage sits, replacing a 3400G in my home server, x570 board, 32Gb RAM, iTX case, 4 3.5" drives and a pair of nvme's, my PCIe slot is being used for a controller card so no GPU for me...This chip has 16 threads so can support a lot of virtual machines, and in a tiny form factor, and unlike the Intel options doesn't require a £300 SuperMicro motherboard. Really, it's awesome for small server use. Am I getting too excited? Probably
However, that said, if this chip had come out 6 months ago it would have made a perfect stopgap for those struggling to get a GPU, they could have had this in their machine and at least had something, and then waited for a GPU to come along, however now I think the delay between it being OEM only and not DIY at the same time has hit their sales, but then again maybe they had numbers issues and couldn't open up both markets at the same time..
I am waiting on the next one with RDNA based gpu. That will be a real deal.
But for anyone that needs an APU, this thing is a beast.
The more you live, less you die. More you play, more you die. Isn't it great.
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