Hose Pipe ban

[Blitzen]

Just use a bucket? Its better for most paints than a pressure washer anyway.
Well that's a very responsible attitude.

I wouldn't mind someone protesting hard about this, writing to their MPs, complaining even about migration and town planning.

But just to be "well I'll squander the water anyway" is frankly a disgusting attitude.

We have not had, and yes I know some of you will cringe as I write this the correct kind of rain for a significant period of time.

We do not want to go back to the 1976 stand pipes, because sadly I think fewer people know their neighbours and I would worry about the effect on the old and feeble.

I would also be there picketing the golf clubs who under their commercial licenses are allowed to water the greens thou....

What are you on about?
Why should i 'watch my usage', when they continue to charge me the same?
Would you pay £50 for petrol every week for 3 months, but during that 3 months you could only put half as much in for the same cost?

Of course not, so sorry, but your retort was pointless

[TheAnimus]

What are you on about?
Why should i 'watch my usage', when they continue to charge me the same?
Would you pay £50 for petrol every week for 3 months, but during that 3 months you could only put half as much in for the same cost?

Of course not, so sorry, but your retort was pointless

That's a stupid analogy.

If you want to pay for what you use, get a meter!

If you think of your bill as a cart blanche to use as much as you want, it really isn't. If everyone did that the bills would rise a lot. A better analogy would be that your Sugar futures haven't yielded what you expected because of bad weather.

You have a responsibility to the other users of the service don't you think? To not be so selfish as to deprive them of any water.

What about anyone who is old or less able to use the stanpipe, which your suggesting is the only thing that would stop you squandering the water.

[Blitzen]

That's a stupid analogy.

If you want to pay for what you use, get a meter!

If you think of your bill as a cart blanche to use as much as you want, it really isn't. If everyone did that the bills would rise a lot. A better analogy would be that your Sugar futures haven't yielded what you expected because of bad weather.

You have a responsibility to the other users of the service don't you think? To not be so selfish as to deprive them of any water.

What about anyone who is old or less able to use the stanpipe, which your suggesting is the only thing that would stop you squandering the water.

Sorry Animus. I couldn't even be bothered to read the above.

You are in one of your self righteous moods, and not only does that always make your arguments dreary, but you also end getting personal (mentioned stupid already).

Therefore, you ARE NOT worth entertaining in such cases, as you bring nothing to the table.

[Saracen]

Sorry Animus. I couldn't even be bothered to read the above.

You are in one of your self righteous moods, and not only does that always make your arguments dreary, but you also end getting personal (mentioned stupid already).

Therefore, you ARE NOT worth entertaining in such cases, as you bring nothing to the table.

If you don't want to engage with the points, then don't.

This thread had better not get any more personal, by anybody.

Either play nice, or don't play.

[santa claus]

It's only a matter of time before someone suggests another Welsh village is flooded to create a new reservoir for the South East

[TheAnimus]

(mentioned stupid already).

Is flawed or unfair more to sir's likings?

Water is a genuine problem for so many people on earth, we are lucky, it costs us virtually nothing nothing, we can consume it most of the time without a second thought.

Its just that, ultimately, its not worth us investing in the infrasturcture required to provide 100% of our usage demand, in the 3% of years.

The same way that people scream blue murder about leaking pipes, yet sometimes, its cheaper to build new resiviours. Whilst it might be counter-intuitive to some, at least let the maths be done!

[peterb]

It's only a matter of time before someone suggests another Welsh village is flooded to create a new reservoir for the South East

I think TheAnimus would just rather flood Wales

I'm talking of course about wales. Now, the problem with a large percentage of welsh polititions is that they don't really have much to be proud of, when you look back over the last 30 years, wales has consistantly had poor rates of employment litteracy and life (on most of the QUALY [sic] scales). Also the NHS in wales has longer waiting times, and your more likely to die during a procedure.

Now they take more money from the national kitty than they generate, they're not even technically a country.

So what do the polititions have to fall back on? Flag waving nationalisim, great.

BBC NEWS | UK | Welsh dragon call for Union flag

I say the time has come to show the welsh who's boss, we should cut their objective/status 1 funding. Its loonacy that theyre are proponents who try to make welsh the first language of children, when if you look at its not a very good languge anyway, the words for television, or microwave oven aren't based on scientific constructs, a litteral translation of microwave oven is oven ping.

So, leave our flag alone.

[billythewiz]

It's only a matter of time before someone suggests another Welsh village is flooded to create a new reservoir for the South East

That sounds like a great idea. Especially North Wales. Have you ever met the people up there

I heard an interesting statistic once (sorry can't find a google reference for you) that the South East of England gets less rain per head of population than Libya !

[santa claus]

I think TheAnimus would just rather flood Wales

Nature has already granted that wish.

That sounds like a great idea. Especially North Wales. Have you ever met the people up there

But they're Liverpudlians A hose pipe ban will be no fun eh?

[Blitzen]

If you don't want to engage with the points, then don't.

This thread had better not get any more personal, by anybody.

Either play nice, or don't play.

Saracen.
From what has been posted, why am I chastised?
I get called stupid, yet Animus is in the right?????

His sarcasm and rudeness seem to be ignored! And his ignorance tolerated constantly......it's most of the time yet goes unpunished.

Is that how it works here now.

(if you decide to ban me for questioning the unfairness, then feel free to make it permanent, as people like him put others off posting)

[redddraggon]

From some of the comments in this thread, I really hope England goes thirsty.

[peterb]

Isuppose there is no point in creating a user with the name hose_pipe as he would have to be banned immediately....





/fetches coat

[TheAnimus]

Saracen.
From what has been posted, why am I chastised?
I get called stupid, yet Animus is in the right?????

Calm down, I didn't call you stupid, just your analogy.

Which, I would still say non-applicable to these circumstances we are in.

Of course not, so sorry, but your retort was pointless

Is perfectly friendly, yet saying an analogy is stupid is massively rude and offensive? I'm confused!

I am just saying that this is not a year on year occurance, the cost of increased resiviour capacity is very big, both economic and environmental, also there are a lot of planning objections to even the simplest expansions.

Yet its often cheaper, again economically and environmentally, to enlarge the storage capacity rather than make the pipes more effective.

The cost of electricity generation has risen a lot lately, yet it is still not economically viable to 'upgrade' the transmission infrastructure, we accept a lot of leakage there.

The demand placed by migration, industry and tourisim on water is very odd, given the quantities we use the transportation is also enormous. But we are very lucky, compared to much of even the developed world we're able to use water most of the time without second thought.

When the weather is exceptional, you can't. Its that simple. I strongly dislike the entitlement culture which says "well I don't care its not rained, its not my problem I still pay £xyz". It's not accurate, its not economically valid, and if we go back to stanpipes, it is those most vulnerable in our soiciety who will suffer. Because people didn't want to use a bucket to wash their car.

[Saracen]

Saracen.
From what has been posted, why am I chastised?
I get called stupid, yet Animus is in the right?????

His sarcasm and rudeness seem to be ignored! And his ignorance tolerated constantly......it's most of the time yet goes unpunished.

Is that how it works here now.

(if you decide to ban me for questioning the unfairness, then feel free to make it permanent, as people like him put others off posting)

First, he said the analogy was stupid, not that you were.

Second, I don't much care who started what. I have asked numerous times for people to stop making personal comment and debate the issues. If you have a complaint, report it, but don't flame back, even in mild form, because it only escalates ..... unless someone dumps a flame-retardant in the thread, which I did.

Also, you won't get banned for questioning it. Though I dispute that it's unfair. As I said, any more personal elements by anybody, and I emphasised that specifically to make it clear it was NOT just aimed at you, won't go down well.

This thread isn't a personal playground for the two of you to moan at each other (again). Someone else started it. And others are commenting on it, but if it gets to be a flame session between you two, it ruins it for everyone else.


So, this thread is not going to turn into a flame-fest. If I come back into it at some point and find it has, all those flaming will get suspended. Not banned, suspended. Regardless of who, from this point, flames who, or who started it, if someone is involved, they get a holiday. And the rest of us can carry on with the thread.

Frankly, over the years, I've had to sort out so many threads ruined by two (and no, I don't mean you two) or more getting so personal in a thread that it ruins it for everyone else, and these days, I have a pretty short fuse over that.

So you were chastised, as you put it, as a shot across the bows for anyone thinking of carrying on in a similar vein.

Put it this way, I'd rather post a warning and stop it happening than start suspending people after it has, because by then, the thread is dead anyway.

So I have a bit of advice for anyone planning on a peeing contest. Do it by PM, or better yet, by email. But not in threads. In threads, either keep it civil or keep it quiet.

And Blitzen, you aren't the first to get a message like that. No doubt, not the last either. And I thought the bolded "anyone" in my comment made it pretty clear it wasn't aimed just at you.

[Saracen]

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/fetches coat

I've called you a cab.

[Blaidd59]

To compare you Water bill to your fuel costs for running your car is in itself an unfair analogy to make that an even playing field one would need to add into the equation for your car. Insurance, Tax, Repairs and Disposal of your waste products making a car an expensive luxury for many reduce your car running to what you actually need it for and you can save money.
The same way as you can with metered water reading.