Lean-to Bike Shed

[ik9000]

Ooh when the batteries work they're great. It's when they degrade to half their old lifespan and reduced peak voltage you realise the issue. Particularly when you can't buy new ones. Yes Gtech I'm looking at you.

[jimbouk]

Did I miss which drill and driver you got? IIRC, you were tending towards Makita brushless, yes?

Oh yeah, didn't post up all my power tool purchases. What I ended up with:

• Makita DHS680Z 18V Li-Ion LXT 165mm Brushless Circular Saw (Amazon) - £129
• Makita DHP482RTWJ 18V LXT Cordless Combi Drill w/ 2x 5Ah (Toolstation) - £145.98
• Makita DTD153Z 18v Brushless Impact Driver (Fastfix via eBay) - £62.80

Obviously a big whack of spend, but should last me 20 years fingers crossed! And saved a bit on standard prices with the deals/vouchers.

[Saracen999]

Nice.

[jimbouk]

Update time! Slow progress and no pictures, because it's barely changed how it looks. After attempting to use the jumbo sized concrete bolts I was forced to admit defeat and downsized to some M8 x 80mm ones. There were actually a better fit for the brackets, and tbh plenty large! So the sleepers are now sitting on the damp course and bolted to the floor.

Next up, putting together a wall. Not sure when though!

And the impact driver is very effecting and very loud driving bolts into concrete. I was actually 'fully PPEd up' with protective glasses, gloves and earplugs for a change. Just missing steel toecaps to complete the set, which I've been meaning to get for a while and probably should so I can rest a wooden wall on my foot when moving it...

[jimbouk]

More chopping action today! All going pretty well, but I'm pondering the best option for the end wall so I'm back on here begging for advice again

It's going to have a slope, and I'll need two vertical beams in the middle so the span on the OSB isn't too large. So, should I build a box to the minimum height, add in the extra supports and maybe a little bit at the top, or should I go for '3 boxes' so to speak?

Rough sketch below if that made no sense Not to scale...


I've got Tuesdays off in July to make progress, who knows maybe even finish! Will be treating what I've cut after lunch then maybe need to bite the bullet and buy the rest of the wood.

[ik9000]

Presume this is for the two side panels? The left hand one seems more robust to me since it has a continuous horizontal head rail and the bits above it can be tailored to suit the roof. You'd usually do a flat horizontal and a pitched/sloping rafter above this from the low eaves (left) to the high eaves (right = garage wall?) with mini vertical studs aligned with the main studs below the horizontal to fill in the gaps.

(btw these verticals are called studs. It doesn't really matter here, but may help you in future conversations with builders etc. General timbers tend to be joists, rafters and studs. Columns and beams are reserved for things taking concentrated loads and of structural significance. Beams are (approximately) horiztonal members and as you might expect, columns are approx vertical.)

[jimbouk]

Yeah, this will be for the side panels. Well the far one, the near one will have a door in so I think will need to be more like the right hand picture. The right side of the diagrams will be the garage wall as you say.

The sloping rafters of the roof are the tricky ones, well the the relationship with the end walls will be. I need the far end wall and the long wall to go on "complete" due to access, then was intending to do the roof including the sloping rafters after. My intention trying to get the studs to match the profile of the roof of so the OSB panels have good support to the top as I won't be able to do much once it's in place. I will however be able to work from the inside so could add the mini studs a you suggest one the end rafter is up.

Thanks for the terminology, I had to look up nogging on Tuesday to figure out how they would be attached.

[ik9000]

Wouldn't the continuous horizontal act as door lintel? There's many ways to skin a cat i guess. The OSB can be cut differently to pass over the timbers. You don't have to stop panels to match the framing layout just in case that was shaping your thinking

[jimbouk]

Wouldn't the continuous horizontal act as door lintel? There's many ways to skin a cat i guess. The OSB can be cut differently to pass over the timbers. You don't have to stop panels to match the framing layout just in case that was shaping your thinking

The continuous horizontal would act as the door lintel, if it wasn't so low at one end The weird '3 box' approach on the door side is simply to maximise the door height, although it probably would be wise just to have 2 boxes to maximise strength:

[ik9000]

I imagine it will work. It's basically a lean to. Probably best not to overthink it.

[kalniel]

Probably best not to overthink it.

I feel like my purpose in life has just vanished...

[jimbouk]

Haha, this has kept me awake many an night overthinking it! Some progress today, behind 'schedule', not that I had one. Will post tomorrow with a picture of wall frame #1

[jimbouk]

Right, update time!

Popped out to Wickes and bought another dozen 2.4m 2x4s - hopefully that'll be the lot. Also picked up ring shank nails to attach the OSB to the frames. Looked in the garage and found nails for the roof and for the truss clips

Wall one completed, the side wall:


Not too much trouble, a few slightly twisted bits of wood but all came good in the end. However after the final screw was tightened the bit came out of the driver and fell through the gap in the decking My set only came with one short T20 bit, but two of the longer T25 bits that would lock into the driver. Oh well, I had a long bit in another set, not impact grade but has held up fine today.

Today at lunch, the end wall:


Part way through assembly I realised I'd made a boo boo on the measurements, I'd forgotten to take off a width of top joist. Only two extra holes drilled before I realised, a quick chop, end treat and re-drill then I was back on my way. The long stud wasn't the straightest but pulled it in best as possible, and one of the middle studs is a little bit jaunty but I'm happy with how it's going so far. Need to add the extra top pieces in to match up with the roof but will leave the trigonometry for another day!

I'm also reaching the limit of what I can lift by myself, and needing two people is going to make things slow so I'm going to have to think tactically. I think it's probably cutting and painting the OSB wall panels next, and I think it'd be wise to take 10mm off the height on the garage wall side as I'm at 2.2m with a beam and rafters still to add - don't want neighbours complaining then being a centimetre over when measured...

[jimbouk]

Progress has ground to a halt. Work, family shiz and general business are getting in the way of my shed building The garage is tantalisingly empty now someone took away the spare chair and desk that were in there - so close to getting a car in!

I need to some more square twist nails as I burnt through my stash at an alarming rate. I also still don't have a good plan for the external paint which is becoming critical as the next job really is to cut the sides, paint and attach. Any thoughts? I've primed the OSB with Leyland Trade Wood Primer Undercoat. Something like Cuprinol Garden Shades Exterior Paint seems like one of the few options. Exterior paints seems to mostly be masonry, a lot of the wood stuff is treatment rather than paint and the 'any surface' stuff is mega money. Screwfix nails seem to be awful from reviews so next purchase will probably be from ToolStation but happy to shop around for the right paint!

I also think I might be one 2x4 short - my calculations of needing 13 more were right I think but for some reason I bought 12 last time...

[ik9000]

there are several others out there. Sadolin springs to mind as one example.

How are you getting on?

[jimbouk]

How are you getting on?

Far too warm for manual labour at the moment, trying to figure out when to take another day off work to crack on but it's all just a bit busy there still. Will probably just click and collect the couple of bits from Tool station and source paint elsewhere, haven't even got round to that yet! Lots of excuses! I will make a concerted effort to do something in the next week though, your prod has motivated me, thank you.