Hi i am building a PC with a llano cpu going onto a Gigabyte A75 UD4H board. My question is will the onboard graphics be better than my old 7900GS card or rather would putting the 7900gs hold back the system at all? Many thanks
Hi i am building a PC with a llano cpu going onto a Gigabyte A75 UD4H board. My question is will the onboard graphics be better than my old 7900GS card or rather would putting the 7900gs hold back the system at all? Many thanks
Windows 7 64 Ultimate
AMD x6 1055T Phenom @3.3ghz
Asus M4A89GTD-Pro-USB3
HD 6850 1GB GDDR5
4GB Corsair XMS3 (2x2GB)
Tx 650w Corsair PSU
250GB Samsung Spinpoint Sata HD
200GB Maxtor Dmax10 IDE
LG Sata2 DVD/RW
Lancool K62 Case
The HD6530D IGP in the A6-3670K is around 30% slower than an HD5550 GDDR5:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/H...D_5550/28.html
Looking at some other reviews it looks like the IGP should be around 9500GT level which should make in theory make it faster than a 7900GS. Also,the HD6530D has DX10 and DX11 meaning it will run newer games better and also UVD3 which means much better video decoding.
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 08-02-2012 at 03:08 PM. Reason: Typo!
OK, doing a bit of cross-review comparison: 7900GS was a fair bit faster than the 8600GT, which is basically the same card as a 9500GT. The 4670 comfortably beat out the 9500GT, probably by a little more than the 7900GS beat the 8600GT. So, we can surmise that the 7900GS and 4670 have similar performance (the 4670 might be slightly ahead).
I believe the top-end Llano IGPs are a little - but not much - behind the 4670, which means they'll also probably be a little behind the 7900GS. I strongly suspect that they are some distance ahead of a 9500GT, which was a pretty poor performer...
HOWEVER: the 7900GS will chew up a lot of extra power, won't boost your framerates that much, and as CAT says the IGPs in Llano are DX11 and have a much better feature-set than a 7900GS. So personally I wouldn't put it anywhere near a Llano rig.
OTOH - why are you building a Llano rig?
If it's a replacement for your existing rig it will have lower performance in pretty much every respect! If it's a second rig (at which point you'd presumably upgrade your main rig GPU if you're thinking of transferring the 7900GS?) you could use a cheaper CPU and motherboard, add the 7900GS and get similar performance for less outlay.
Thanks guys for your help.
The llano build is actually for my dad, i just upgraded to a HD6850 and thought the gs7900 would be better than the internal on the gigabyte mobo....Thinking about it he actually does have a GeForce 6600 GT, would this be better? Thanks
Windows 7 64 Ultimate
AMD x6 1055T Phenom @3.3ghz
Asus M4A89GTD-Pro-USB3
HD 6850 1GB GDDR5
4GB Corsair XMS3 (2x2GB)
Tx 650w Corsair PSU
250GB Samsung Spinpoint Sata HD
200GB Maxtor Dmax10 IDE
LG Sata2 DVD/RW
Lancool K62 Case
The 6600GT is likely to be somewhat worse than the Llano IGP. It's a generation and a "class" of card lower than the 7900GS. As I said, from doing some cross-comparison I don't think the 7900GS will be significantly better than the IGP, and it will pull a *lot* more power.
If you're thinking of passing on the 7900GS it might be better to go with a cheaper base build - something like an Athlon II X3 on a cheap AM3 mobo - rather than Llano. It'll save you maybe £20 - £30, and performance will be very similar to a Llano based rig.
The other key consideration is what your dad plans to do with this rig - is he a gamer or is it just for general use? For general use the Llano IGP will be much better because it has a much newer feature set - don't forget the 7900GS is a 5+ year old card, and the tech it's based on is older still. If he is a gamer, and mostly plays older games, the higher clockspeed and an Athlon II X3 based rig with the 7900GS in it would probably be a slightly better option. I definitely wouldn't put the 7900GS in a Llano rig though.
Thanks again. I understand this gigabyte a75 ud4h mobo ive got has a crossfire mode that uses the IGP along with another card, is this only for certain cards that are compatible? Thanks
ps ive already purchased the build so no going back.
Windows 7 64 Ultimate
AMD x6 1055T Phenom @3.3ghz
Asus M4A89GTD-Pro-USB3
HD 6850 1GB GDDR5
4GB Corsair XMS3 (2x2GB)
Tx 650w Corsair PSU
250GB Samsung Spinpoint Sata HD
200GB Maxtor Dmax10 IDE
LG Sata2 DVD/RW
Lancool K62 Case
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OK Cat. Ive nearly finished just to benchmark now. It aint too good on the cable managment frontThis Antec 300 case's header/fan wires are rather short so its a bit like spaghetti junction. Also whsh id looked more into antec 300 as they have now got the same case but with usb3 ports on front. Thanks for your help before m8
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Last edited by wannabgeek; 10-02-2012 at 11:26 PM.
Windows 7 64 Ultimate
AMD x6 1055T Phenom @3.3ghz
Asus M4A89GTD-Pro-USB3
HD 6850 1GB GDDR5
4GB Corsair XMS3 (2x2GB)
Tx 650w Corsair PSU
250GB Samsung Spinpoint Sata HD
200GB Maxtor Dmax10 IDE
LG Sata2 DVD/RW
Lancool K62 Case
CAT-THE-FIFTH (12-02-2012)
I am only using the built atm. hence my earlier Qs. One more thing ps. My antec 300 case has 2 chassis fans built in which run on the psu molex inputs (1 top/1back) I have added a front 120mm fan which atm is plugges into the 'pwr fan' input on mobo as it will not reach the fan1 or fan2 inputs. Is this a problem or rather will it mess with my cpu controller/monitoring speeds?
Windows 7 64 Ultimate
AMD x6 1055T Phenom @3.3ghz
Asus M4A89GTD-Pro-USB3
HD 6850 1GB GDDR5
4GB Corsair XMS3 (2x2GB)
Tx 650w Corsair PSU
250GB Samsung Spinpoint Sata HD
200GB Maxtor Dmax10 IDE
LG Sata2 DVD/RW
Lancool K62 Case
If you went for the A6 3670k, AMD recommend a HD 6670, HD6570 or 6450 for dual graphics combinations. The 6450 is quite a bit slower than the on-CPU graphics and personally I wouldn't bother with that as it won't give much of a boost. Either a 6570 or a 6670 should work fine though, and give you a nice graphics boost when configured for dual graphicsSee http://www.amd.com/us/products/techn...raphics.aspx#3 for details.
The case fan running off the pwr fan header shouldn't be a problem, you just need to remember that any monitoring software you run will identify that fan as the power supply fan, not a case fan. If your motherboard has control for the 3-pin fan headers (many don't) you might want to check the settings for the pwr fan to make sure it's responding to a sensible temp sensor. Otherwise everything should be fine.
The HD6570 GDDR3 would be the best match as it has the same number of shaders as the HD6530D IGP.
I thought the 6530 only had 320 cores? HD6570 has 480, AFAIK. It's the closest current gen card to the IGP, though...
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