Certainly Sir, if you would be so kind as to do so yourself & get your pet Moose to do likewiseBut I do apologise, I am suffering from Man 'flu atm (the worst kind imaginable, worse than bird 'flu, pig 'flu, even giraffe 'flu)...
Annnnd back OT:
How can anyone think this is not gritty and realistic (as much as any TV Fantasy series can be I mean)? Two scenes that come to mind are the rabbit-skinning and the Night's Watch guys bitching about their (pardon the vernacular) chicken**** chores.
I love LOTR and its gloss, it's a different sort of fantasy, one you can escape to. I can't imagine the Elvish Army hanging around swearing at (& bullying) each other whilst digging latrines. I mean do Elves even defecate? I know they eat but then again no-one needs the toilet in Tolkien land![]()
Which is great in that particular context; but what GoT does do IMO is get over at least some of the 'feel' of the squaddies pessimistic dejection & resentment of their superiors that was (and is) probably felt the world over since time immemorial... I can imagine Roman soldiers at Hadrian's Wall acting similarly...
The rabbit skinning showed something that's also lacking in other such series: logistics. Very little time is usually spent on how people actually survive on their epic odysseys. Funnily enough I found that scene harder to watch than the human torture and killing
OTOH In this regard even GoT doesn't really tell u much (but I guess it'd be boring) - I mean, huge armies are prowling the denuded land, presumably living off it and leaving a swathe of destruction behind them. This hasn't really come across yet but I'm hoping the huge cost of the wars in environmental as well as human terms will start to figure in the script. After all, the vanguards of these armies usually had a train bigger than themselves composed of camp followers (prostitutes, plus assorted traders, wives with babes-in-arms, slaves and POWs as well as any disabled soldiers if they survived battle)... the colossal devastation caused even before any sieges/battles would be enormous
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Sat down to watch it last night - not on!. Never mind see it next week.![]()
Some interesting comments on the Guardian 'Australian Culture' (yeah I know) blog: http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...lard-targaryen
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you see... we have a different degree of gritty. A different.. focus on gritty. GoT vs LOTR... not really a good comparison... my fault. I was try to compare a genre. It kinda workss.... a bit.
I agree the skinning of a rabbit is: real life. (though not perhaps in Tesco world 2013: I myself am good at it)
Swearing and bullying are also very "real life"... that's ok, I agree, though I guess Un acceptable on telly without cause, and written help and guideance for sufferers at the end.
But the thing is... magic isn't real. And nor are monsters. But they too are in both GoT and LOTR. So grit vs grit fails a bit in "real life " grit ratios.
( I won't rise to the bait of comparing what I said, to a comparison with The Hobbit.. I film I think is weak and feeble and did not compare)
What I consider to be "gritty" is the filth and muck of real life outside of shagging, eating and defacating.
Peoples finger nails... the state of their armour.. the notches in their swords, the worn state of their belt buckles... the way they hold themselves.
LOTR (all 3) have this by the bucket load. That is what made it a classic. It IS a classic. It's, frankly, filthy. And no one goes "scissor sisters" on their "sister from another mister."
GoT ... has grit in part by pure luck..
To raise interest in a show by skiinng a rabbit, sucking a penis, and emerging from a state of oral sex with fromage frais on your lips.... is weak.
I return to the genius of Spooks, the unhindered excellence of Life on Mars to guide you to grit.
Grit need not be in the blood, semen or bullys.... unless the blood letting be gritty in a really life changing way for the viewer (Scum - Ray Winston or Harry Brown- Michael Caine)
You only need shoot a rabbit badly, and watch it squeal, and writhe in pain to see what grit is. And that's not allowed on telly......rightly so.
but fake, created-fo- titillation lesbian sex is.
guess which is more popular ? hmmmm?
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Pleiades (29-05-2013)
Don't, whatever you do, go to see the new french film that won at Cannes will you?
Personally I thought Spooks was trash but each to their own.
I'd liken GoT to a piece of steak, sometimes it's overdone, sometimes rare and bloody but it's always filling. It speaks to me because it has the authenticity of human beings that act like real people might do in those circumstances, not like mannequins created to hang a basic fairy tale about good overcoming evil. In GoT the lines are blurred, there are shades (of grey lol) - not the luminescent White goodies vs the Black baddies of LOTR.
And I still believe LOTR is great; but it was more so when I was 12. A bit like candyfloss, or even at its best, a decent dark chocolate. But there's little meat there, not for many of us adults anyway (and who'd want it any other way?)...
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For me its the plot of GOT with its spins and twists that is gritty , because like TWD no one safe , so there is this very real sense of threat you just dont get in high fantasy stuff like LOR where main characters are usually safe .
Any way.. not long to go now
tick tock
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Pleiades (03-06-2013)
looks like last nights episode has caused `outrage` and `im not watching the show again , they have no respect for anyone` - so think we can guess what happened lol. And they think this was `bad`...just wait
Yew nurr nuthin John Snurr.
Gutted it wasnt on last Monday, looking forward to tonights one though.
Once more into the Frey then
I don't know what would be worse, knowing what was going to happen having read the books (like me), or not knowing....
Had to steel myself for this, left the last 5 minutes until I'd had a drink lol. I know, I know, it's only fantasy fiction but still...
It wasn't even a nice day, for a Red Wedding...
Kudos to the actor playing Walder Frey, David Bradley, he was awesome, made my skin crawl *shivers* and made 'The Hound' look like a nice fella in comparison...
The repercussions of this will resonate for the rest of the series, with good reason![]()
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will they go to kings landing next week though? as in the book - we know whats has happened at the same time....
Yes, bad things have happened I'll be bound. Well it was never going to be good things was it LOL?
Luckily there's a large cast still waiting to be murdered
Next Ep. the Finale this season?
PS You'd have to have a heart of stone not to be affected by this week's ep...
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red wedding = OMFG.
srsly.
I really think (from the trailer) they are pushing the next wedding into season4.
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