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    Re: Price fixing rant / new Soundgarden album

    Quote Originally Posted by melon View Post

    We all know though they dont do that , they take more and give back less instead for the outrageous spending and exuberance they have, then even worse demand we pay for it - or like the banks cry until they get more money printed.
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    Exactly the same could be said of the single mother who lives in the council house down the road from us. Gives nothing but just takes - lives in a three bed semi for free watching cable TV all day with her new boyfriend and undoubted father of the next kid. Or the bloke who lives two doors up the other way, also council house onto which he is building a huge extension as he guaranteed cheap rent on that house for life. Plus he has 2 Mercs parked out front cos he has of course got shedloads of disposable money. The unfairness works both ends of the scale - plenty of society's useless dross live off the work of others, be they rich bankers born to rich parents, or lazy chavs who feel entitled to a free house and all their bills paid for.

    So. I'm not out to overthrow the system, just stop it being rigged by laws which give unreasonable privileges to content producers.

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    Re: Price fixing rant / new Soundgarden album

    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi View Post
    So. I'm not out to overthrow the system, just stop it being rigged by laws which give unreasonable privileges to content producers.
    The right to earn money from what you produce.. how is that unreasonable? Do you work? If so, do you expect to be able to make money from it and thus feed you and your dependants? Or are you after a system where you just sit and watch cable TV and get your meals for free?

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    Re: Price fixing rant / new Soundgarden album

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    The right to earn money from what you produce.. how is that unreasonable? Do you work? If so, do you expect to be able to make money from it and thus feed you and your dependants? Or are you after a system where you just sit and watch cable TV and get your meals for free?
    quite simple , if you keep taking more for yourself than you put back into production eventually the costs of production is going to become affected and the customers will suffer .

    That leaves the customer paying more for less or not being able to pay at all because of thievery and pure greed , and what is worse is these people taking the money are hardly poor to start with or stupid - they're educated - and most likely could afford to feed 10-20 families .

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    Re: Price fixing rant / new Soundgarden album

    Quote Originally Posted by melon View Post
    quite simple , if you keep taking more for yourself than you put back into production eventually the costs of production is going to become affected and the customers will suffer .
    So customers decide your music is too expensive and move on to someone else's.. that's not really customer suffering is it?

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    Re: Price fixing rant / new Soundgarden album

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    No, not what I meant. If you start out witha high quality source and use a compression technology to produce a small file, you throw away source material. This applies to MP3s just as it does to jpeg files for photos, and it's a destructive edit. Once you've thrown the data away, you cannot unthrow it .... or not accurately anyway.

    Here's another (somewhat forced) analogy.

    Suppose you start out with three eggs, and make an omelette. You crack the eggs, add salt, pepper and a little milk, then you throw away a third of the mixture. Then you fry it, and serve it on a plate, only to be told "I've changed my mind, I'd like boiled eggs, please".

    If you start out with eggs, you can end up with boiled, fried, scrambled, omelette, or even eggs benedict. If you start out with an omelette, you've got an omelette, period.

    Yes, you can put MP3 files on a CD, and you can even burn the CD in a format that makes it play like a CD, but the quality will always be that of the MP3 file, at best, and that quality on, erm, the skill of the chef, and the recipe he/she used to cook the MP3.




    Note: Before anyone says it, yes, I'm aware some MP3 files are very high quality, but many are not, and through a good hifi and to someone with a decent ear, there's nearly always a msrked difference. And yes, I'm also aware that not all CD's are born equal either, and some are utter junk, in audio quality terms.
    I agree. I tried to look for higher quality digital downloads myself in FLAC or WAV, and found that the services cost more than a CD.

    At this point,I would rather get the CD.

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    Re: Price fixing rant / new Soundgarden album

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    The right to earn money from what you produce.. how is that unreasonable? Do you work? If so, do you expect to be able to make money from it and thus feed you and your dependants? Or are you after a system where you just sit and watch cable TV and get your meals for free?
    Eh? I'm the one who is pro free trade here. See Adam Smith, wealth of nations. What the record industry has is a protectionist system where consumers can't buy the same product from anywhere in the world. In effect it is just like the woman who owns a pub who showed Greek satellite TV footage and got prosecuted by (IIRC) Sky. When it went to court they decided she is allowed to view content from anywhere in Europe. Personally i don't see why the logic can't be extended to world free trade. We aren't supposed to have trade barriers, but certain media businesses seem to get away with it quite nicely. Why can I legally import bits for my motorbike from anywhere in the world (which I have done) but not music?

    Your argument is inconsistent. On one hand you say we should let market forces sort it out, then you say we can't have a free market as I shouldn't be allowed to import mp3s from the USA.

    As for the 'members of society' in council houses who sit about smoking, watching telly and popping kids from random cash-in-hand-job fathers all day, don't get me started....

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    Re: Price fixing rant / new Soundgarden album

    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi View Post
    Eh? I'm the one who is pro free trade here. See Adam Smith, wealth of nations. What the record industry has is a protectionist system where consumers can't buy the same product from anywhere in the world. In effect it is just like the woman who owns a pub who showed Greek satellite TV footage and got prosecuted by (IIRC) Sky. When it went to court they decided she is allowed to view content from anywhere in Europe. Personally i don't see why the logic can't be extended to world free trade. We aren't supposed to have trade barriers, but certain media businesses seem to get away with it quite nicely. Why can I legally import bits for my motorbike from anywhere in the world (which I have done) but not music?

    Your argument is inconsistent. On one hand you say we should let market forces sort it out, then you say we can't have a free market as I shouldn't be allowed to import mp3s from the USA.

    As for the 'members of society' in council houses who sit about smoking, watching telly and popping kids from random cash-in-hand-job fathers all day, don't get me started....
    One argument against that is that it is immoral, since it precludes suppliers from being able to charge according to local market conditions, and the inevitable upshot is that those in poor countries won't be able to afford to buy at all, because sellers will end up only selling in high price markets.

    Money has different relative values according to local standards of living and price/wage levels. What does £5 mean to you, and what does it mean to someone wher £30 is a week's wages. And, in all likelihood, where food, etc, is also commensurately cheaper.

    This is an issue thrown up by the internet era, and by "goods" thst are, basically, nothing more than a bitstream, at one level.

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    Re: Price fixing rant / new Soundgarden album

    And it's always interesting when the same people that say goods should cost the same world wide (irrespective of relative affordability) also say that the rich should pay more for things

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    Re: Price fixing rant / new Soundgarden album

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    One argument against that is that it is immoral, since it precludes suppliers from being able to charge according to local market conditions, and the inevitable upshot is that those in poor countries won't be able to afford to buy at all, because sellers will end up only selling in high price markets.

    Money has different relative values according to local standards of living and price/wage levels. What does £5 mean to you, and what does it mean to someone wher £30 is a week's wages. And, in all likelihood, where food, etc, is also commensurately cheaper.

    This is an issue thrown up by the internet era, and by "goods" thst are, basically, nothing more than a bitstream, at one level.
    Also one of many things that perpetuates them having a cheaper cost of living, meaning their costs are lower, meaning all our jobs go there.
    Last edited by wasabi; 14-01-2013 at 02:32 PM.

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