This looks awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhFM8akm9a4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhFM8akm9a4
Its based on this Cyberpunk novel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altered_Carbon
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This looks awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhFM8akm9a4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhFM8akm9a4
Its based on this Cyberpunk novel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altered_Carbon
The books are pretty good
Hoping this will be my next series to get immersed in. Really looking forward to it.
New featurerette about the series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFWBXDIW5Iw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFWBXDIW5Iw
It looks awesome!!
Book 1 finished. For a first novel it was pretty good, guess I will have to get the others now.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaTTuS
To my mind a lot will hinge upon how willing they are to explore, much in the way that the book does, how non-human yet still human an Envoy is in terms of their mindset / behaviour.
God damn so it does I need Netflix in my life nao.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Wowser 2018
Dollhouse Dichen Returns:secret::iloveyou::o:bowdown::drool:Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
This looks good.
She was also in The 100 and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. too.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimborae
I know but I gave up on both those shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Ohhhh it seems really good, now on episode 7.
Just about to finish the first book, and have watched the first couple of episodes today. Not a bad so far, shame about the Hendrix. Will probably read neuromancer for the xxxxs time for a bit of a break. Do think the book is trying to be too much like neuromancer and the TV series is trying too hard to look like blade runner. Surprised that my wife is enjoying it.
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D has gotten significantly better since the first season,and the last three seasons have been very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimborae
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That sounds promising - reviews have tended to either be positive or negative,so I will need to watch this and see how it pans out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flibb
Finally got around to watching it - I think the nudity and violence is a bit too OTT at times,and it seems to quite inspired by the Matrix in all the fighting,etc. I almost expected Arnie to pop out at some point!! :p Well constructed world though and I liked the ending.
The missus and I watched the first episode on Sunday. Not sure what to make of it from that. Gonna sit down with some beers and munchies and watch another couple tomorrow evening.
I really enjoyed it!!
So generally just "pretty good", "pretty good" and "not bad"......?
Sounds a little mediocre, really.
I'll probably watch it when I can access the full season and binge watch without adverts.
Its good enough for me to watch it,but then I think The Expanse and Westworld are better series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
Not much of a benchmark for me.... and still only 'good enough'? No better?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
The Expanse is utterly awesome regardless, so no real contest. I got very bored with Westworld very quickly.
What are your feelings on Sons of Anarchy? Black Sails? Crossbones? Lucifer? Vikings? Judge Judy/Rinder?
I really enjoyed the first book, there weren't any adverts in it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
The Expanse is one of my favourite series in years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
The are few Cyberpunk themed series so its good enough there is such a series even showing,but I think Altered Carbon is more the Matrix kind of action adventure Cyberpunk and less Ghost in the Shell or Bladerunner type,which is more introspective. I would give it a 7/10. The last really Cyperpunk themed series in the US was probably Almost Human during 2013/2014.
Westworld builds up slowly,so I like it,since even Babylon 5 built up slowly.
I don't watch any of the latter series you mentioned.
The current series which I kind of kept up on in the last year or so,finished watching or gave up on:
1.)Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - I really enjoyed the last series especially as they did take some risks.
2.)The Flash - One of the few superhero series I kept watching,but I find its way too full of angst,so just watch it in a throwaway sense,but the cast seems to fit each other.
3.)Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency - utterly weird and utterly brilliant and one of the best series I have seen in a while.
4.)Dark Matter - had a Stargate/Firefly type vibe to it,and it might have been low budget but the cast seemed to "gel" with each other.
5.)Killjoys - was not sure on that,but seems to have gotten better. Quite low budget,but its something to watch.
6.)Galavant - awesome. Good cast chemistry.
7.)Elementary - fun enough to watch.
8.)The 100 - interesting premise,but too much angst(just shag each other FFS),so got bored of it.
9.)Arrow - did the comic thing and overconvoluted things,so got bored of it.
10.)Legends of Tommorrow - just meh.
11.)Dr Who - got bored of it.
12.)Game of Thrones - never really got into it. Tyrion is awesome though.
I started watching The Walking Dead yonks before any of my mates,but TBH it went too comic level logic for me,and I got bored of it,especially as they tried amping up the violence just for the sake of it. Got bored of Dr Who.
Sherlock is still good.
There might be a few others I tried watching,but The Expanse is probably for me the best of all of them together with Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.
Full Season is already available? Plus... do you generally gauge your watching on what other people think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
I watch something and judge it for myself, don't bother with critics write-ups or other folk for that matter.
Whiplash for me is in my top 5 movies, whereas a lot of others may think it isn't worthy of a top 5.
I highly recommend you watch AC, I really enjoyed watching it.
Did you see Dollhouse? Another slow starting show that I thought just got awesome. Don't think it is on Netflix any more though :(Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
I started watching that but never finished it. I might need to,though! Another one was Invasion which built up slowly then got cancelled after one season,and I though Defiance in its last season finished very strongly,ie,a bit like Enterprise did.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
She was in Neighbours too! Err, so I'm told... :shocked2:Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
I've only watched the 1st episode and I liked it. I didn't think the nudity was gratuitous, but maybe it gets more frequent in later episodes, although you'd have seen less of the boss man's wife if she'd been wearing a bikini... Violence didn't seem too bad either, but maybe I'm dulled to it by now.
Well,if someone is a fan of her,they should watch this due to the amount of nudity! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJim
Basically most of the main cast,gets their norks or wangs out at some point. Personally it did not really add anything to it IMHO OFC,unlike Westworld were the nudity made more sense to a degree since they were androids.
Its definitely more like the Matrix with more T and A and W,and very violent for a TV series. Think a person walking around with a severed head with blood dripping from it level or a women being opened up after death with her innards being removed. Its probably one of the most violent sci-fi series I have ever seen(maybe the most TBH). I fully expected Arnie to suddenly pop up out of nowhere with a minigun!!
Although GoT has its exploding skull which is hard to be topped.
Yeah, but that's like giving everyone an Aston Martin when all they've ever driven is a Vauxhall Corsa...!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
What the Karl Urban one?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
I really enjoyed that and was mightily piddled when they cancelled it!
Killjoys and Dark Matter have been good so far (and yes, I know about the latter).
Elementary is utter cack, which I'd only ever watch for JLM.
GoT and Dr W both seem pretty much required viewing in either our house, or the domiciles of everyone I know.
On Sky?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macman
I don't have Netflicks or anything.
More on what they think of something and why, compared to what they think of other things that I have fairly strong opinions about... but then only as a rough starting point and in the absence of any friends who have seen it and know what sort of things I myself enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macman
For example, through such reasoning I worked out early on that I'd utterly despise Breaking Bad... but still watched 2 seasons of it to keep certain people quiet and was proven right on all things at every turn. They conceded that I was right all along and accepted that I do indeed have a vague idea of what sort of things I myself enjoy. :D
I mostly ignore critics, but I don't have time to watch enough of everything to even give it a fair chance... and I'm old enough that a lot of TV nowadays seems like recycled same-same cack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macman
I can at least understand why you feel that way, though, which is part of figuring out if I'll like something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macman
Aw, really?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Starting to lose interest, now......
Yeah, interest losing, still....Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Once in a while such things are great, if done well and serve the plot. Not these days, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
I refer to everything the wife watches on TV as porn, though, as it all has so much T&A (and violence), for NO GOOD REASON.... It's like everyone in TV is suddenly 12 years old!!
Kind of central to the plot here, where organic damage where you can just be downloaded into a new sleeve isn't the same as death from which you can't return. Life would get mucky pretty fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
Why does it require full on nudity, though?Quote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
Don't get me wrong, I rarely object to nudity... but I have never heard a convincing argument on why it is necessary to the plot for it to be on screen.
Yeah,the one with Karl Urban,and it was a shame it was cancelled. Elementary is just fine for lightweight viewing so serves a purpose!! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
GoT,I couldn't get into - I am less a fantasy fan,and all the good guys are morons,so at this point like BSG,which I also had to push myself to finish I gave up. Dr Who,I just got bored of it for a while,then I fell behind and it made no sense,so CBA to watch the episodes I missed and gave up.
But Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency and Galavant surprised me TBH.
Apparently its meant to show the disposability of bodies in that world,etc but I dunno,I think it was just their attempt to be "gritty" and some of it makes no sense,if you think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
I remember the first episode of Stargare SG1 did that,with female full frontal nudity,since it was meant to shock the viewer into showing how evil the Goa'uld were. Then they realised it was never really required and subsequently didn't bother and the series was fine.
Then BSG came along with its "grittiness" ,the SG:A tried to do the same,and failed miserably. Now since all these "adult" and "gritty" shows,think that getting norks and wangs out is the way to show its "adult" they all do it ,which is rather weird since you could just go onto Pornhub and probably get more of it! ;)
Plus even the violence is just getting to comedy levels - its like watching an arnie film,ie,a bit OTT and comic.
For instance in The Expanse,the most violent bit was when the medic has his head blown off by shrapnel,but then it made sense in that scene,or even the nudity in that scene in the bathroom,which was meant to be poignant.
I mean I don't mind T and A and W if it serves a purpose,so it was more understandable in Westworld(having said it,some of it was probably just for shock value) although sadly it also means some decent series,really can't be watched if you have kids around.
It makes no sense for the sleaves to be fully naked. For one they are lying down which means horrible tan lines and two,it makes more sense to have a sort of compression catsuit so they can stimulate the muscles remotely. They also must have terribly dry skin and very stiff muscles when they wake up!! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
Plus Ghost in the Shell follows similar themes,with cyberbrains,etc.
Edit!!
I am talking about the storage areas,not the creation chambers.
US bus shelter billboard for Altered Carbon:
https://imgur.com/gallery/HYTpf
NSFW,but looks very costly for a small billboard!!
It's all over the internet, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
It only need the one billboard, shared across all social media...
Ah another cancelled Whedon project.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
OK, finally got around to watching it.
Yep... pretty good.... not bad.....
I liked the way it actually felt like it was based on a book as it added a real air of refinement to it, even the blatant \'sequel-seeking with any actor we can get\' ending.
My main concern with futurey stuff is when they have Magic Sonic Screwdriver technology that fixes everything, like some Swiss Army Deus Ex Machina. They had some of that here but not too much, although the plot does kinda hinge around it a bit... but it is sci-fi, which is supposed to be mainly about technology and its impact on society.
Violence, meh. Barely noticed it, beyond the large amount of unnecessary martial arts moves that everyone in movies is so highly trained in. Cop girls especially seem to get taught lots of high kicks and spinning leg sweeps...
Nudity... Again, not necessary to show any of it, but neither am I complaining... mainly because Martha Higareda was awesome in everything she did.
Would happily watch Season 2.
I just think people have gotten desensitised due to GOT. I don\'t consider a major character walking around with a severed head not noticeable and everyone I know in the RL thinks it\'s excessive.
Then the scene where a women is cut up and her internal organs are removed one by one? Really??
It\'s the same thing which made the Ghost on the Shell film so poor and SAC much better. If they spent less money on SFX and trying to shock people they could have put much more into the story. It suffers from modern interpretations of cyberpunk trying to imitate the matrix, sadly.
Sac?
Standalone Complex - despite the obvious fan service in places is a far better Cyberpunk series. It even explains the whole body swapping thing in a better way.Quote:
Originally Posted by cptwhite_uk
Also even the violence in the series is on the context of the main characters being part of a counter terrorism group.
Altered Carbon is fun but in an OTT disposable way but seems more closer to something like the matrix or dare I say a computer game. But it's not what i would consider a deep experience which I expect from Cyberpunk.
It also for some reason gives me slight vibes of The100.
Yeah I've never watched that, thanks for the reminding me :)
Been desensitised to all that ever since horror films in the 80s, mate...Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Passers-by would probably just think it was fake, especially in a world like this...Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Have you not seen things like Dexter?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
The Wei Clinic is simply harvesting them as, I assume, organ donation is no longer optional in the future? ISTR a proposal that one would have to opt out of donation, rather than opting in and carrying a donor card as we currently do? If so, not too far off the mark there, then.
Also smacks of corporate interference and more fingers in pies, which is a classic cyberpunk theme.
Isn't that what will appeal to a wider audience, though?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
It's really worth watching. There are standalone episodes and complex ones which are part of the arc,hence the name. Another cyberpunk anime worth watching is Ergo Proxy which deals with existentialism(also the creator apparently likes Evanescence if you look not too carefully) and has a rather interesting way if conveying it's story,but is very slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by cptwhite_uk
I was expecting to hear people ask if the drug enhanced sex scenes were really necessary to the plot, which in the book they are. I'm guessing for the screen they made the story a whole lot less steamy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
But that's the thing it spends all the money on trying to hide a distinct lack of story. I don't criticise The Expanse or Westworld as the violence or nudity seems to be used in a way which feels natural to the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
The book also suffers from being made after The Matrix so is basically just shows how much the author has been influenced by it. Since it needs to rely on sex and violence to convey a point then it's already failed before it started.
Its all kind of funny when if people really want nudity they can go onto pornhub.
I am a huge fan of the Cyberpunk genre and this is like eating meal that looks nice and flashy but has no substance or nutritional value,or does not even taste that special.
You can still imply and even feature most of it without having to actually show it, though...Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
No more than how anything made after 1977 will get compared to Star Wars, though...Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
That is part of the point, though, isn't it? That technology has advanced to the point where sex, violence and especially sexual violence are perceived quite differently?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Which still does not need graphic nudity or violence. You compared it to a film which had classification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
Look at photography - erotic pictures don't need full frontal nudity to convey the sexual aspect of things. Some of the scariest films or books don't need graphic violence to convey that the world is horrible and scary. It requires people to think instead of it being served on a plate to them - basically no thought process required. At least the Arnie films used the violence to comic effect.
Did shows like Firefly require all of this - nope. Yet it was a bleak and terrible world.
Does Star Wars need it to convey the oppression and excesses of the Empire?
Did Blade runner need severed heads and people running around starkers to convey it's dystopian themes?
It would not matter so much if the story was better - it really is average and other stories have conveyed body swapping,etc far better even down to the physical dissonance which happens down to it.
If you ever watch Idiocracy you can see how it takes the mick out of how modern TV shows are trying to one up each other on the violence,etc.
Even many reviewers commented on how the series looked awesome but the story was a jumble.
It's the same issue the GITS film had - all looks and coolness but the story was underbaked and this is the issue with too many TV/film interpretations of Cyberpunk - people think it's about a cool looking world with lots of neon clad stripper's and people's heads exploding all the tome. None of it is required for a good Cyberpunk story especially when it's used for padding it!
I will see how season 2 goes - if it keeps going the lowest common denominator way the current season goes,or goes the angst ridden The100 way I feel it will also go,I think it's another HBO series I will be ignoring. It's a shame when great series like Dirt Gentley's Hollistic Detective Agency gets cancelled even though it probably cost a fraction of this one.
Edit
Also aspects of the way the clones are made and stored make no sense at all.
I never said it did. In fact, I did say showing them was unnecessary, concurrent with my assertions made before seeing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
However, since that is a main theme in the plot, it still relies on them being featured.
??Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
So you can compare a novel to a film, but I can't compare anything to a film if that film has a classification?
Not sure you got the point there... Comparing anything to The Matrix (like it was an especially good film in the first place) is as much of a pointless exercise as comparing anything 'sci-fi' or 'set in space' to Star Wars... and just because a few dumb newspapers do it, doesn't mean it's right.
Was that even supposed to be a theme?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
I thought it was more about the perception of life once 'immortality' technology becomes an effective option for people...
I didn't find this one especially graphic on either count, though. Plenty more out there being far more graphic and even occasionally within justifiable context, although you've already said you haven't sen any of the examples I'd proffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Can't see the confusion, myself. What's this jumble, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Ah, so we're down to personal definition of exactly what is proper Cyberpunk?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
OK, question for you - Is AC a Cyberpunk tale or a Tech-Noir one?
Remember also that these are mainstream films and TV shows, so must sell to a mainstream audience too. Anime (seemingly the only thing anyone gives any credence to, which is a shame as I hate the style) is still very niche and regarded as the domain of teenage geeks, or men who still live in their parents' basements.
Even proper Sci-Fi is still a bit too niche for mainstream TV audiences.
Do tell....... Last I heard it was alien technology anyways, so make up anything you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
I'm up to ep8 after a bit of a binge over the weekend. I'm enjoying it. The nudity and violence don't seem to be overdone, just fitting with the kind of world that is being portrayed. Would have been watching the final 2 eps tonight, but MiL is over, the wife doesn't really want to be watching this with her mum...
Started watching it last night. Police cars and umbrella's are quite blade runner but so far so good.
I started watching it via Netflix on the v6, then realised I wasn't getting HDR, so switched to the telly app, and it's superb, visually. It was pretty good on the v6, but just didn't have HDR. Not even sure it was 4k...
I wasn't sure after the first episode, but continued anyway and I'm glad I did. It's a warning against getting what you wish for and the unintended consequences of immotality. The dialogue can be a little cheesy, but other than that I've really enjoyed it.
Am now reading the second book: Broken Angels. Enjoying it much more than the first book which I enjoyed more than what I saw of the Netflix series which I might go back to but am watching Dark Matter atm instead.
Second book feels more like a Stainless Steel Rat book, and I do like the Stainless Steel Rat books.
That's interesting, although I haven't gotten too far into the book I think the TV series got a few things better than the book in the following areas:Quote:
Enjoying it much more than the first book which I enjoyed more than what I saw of the Netflix series which I might go back to
- Envoys
- The AI hotel
- Bancroft's House
Finally watched the series, I don't expect a TV show to follow the book but some of it was just too far off which jarred. The timescales were wrong making Tak much older which I think they did to make the Envoys part of the Quellist movement which they weren't. The end is a teaser for book 3, so I guess they did all that to make the next series easier to explain. It just all felt a bit dumbed down for me, I'm not convinced the book was that hard to portray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanoe
Oh, and Miriam Bancroft should look about 20. With all the money available to her, why wouldn't she, it fits her character better.
I finished the book last week and still think I prefer the TV series over the book. Although that may entirely be because of the order I did them in.
If I had read the book first and then seen it I might have felt differently, who knows!
Did not realize this was a book based series! will have to read, as I have loved the first season so far. Hopefully it can only get better as it goes, loved the AI in it and the style and behavior played by the character :)
hmmm, not promising
The way Netflix present science fiction novel is superb beside i haven't read the novel yet but of-course it would be good as the character are such in-humans but yet the behaviour touch was too human for them.
Really enjoyed the first series. Bit disappointed the main actor is getting replaced for the next series, I quite liked him.
It is kind of the point that they treat bodies as disposable, so it needs to be a new actor each series.Quote:
Originally Posted by banana999
It'll be interesting to see if different actors can carry the character as well as each other, then...Quote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
I'll miss James Purefoy, though. He's always been outstanding!
I really liked this tv show. I am looking forward for S02, with Anthony Mackie playing Kovac!!!
New series out 27th February
Do we know which book they are abusing this time? But hey, treating stuff as abusable and disposable kind of fits the stories :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonj1611
New series out now
Watched the first 2 episodes, really should have re-watched the 1st series, as I was a bit confused in the 1st episode with who was who. It's coming back now, and seems to be building up to another good series...
Really enjoyed the first series, haven't got round to the second yet but heard mixed reviews on the second season. Still worth watching it?
The first season was amazing, but the second season was a bit dull tbh! You might enjoy it, but I felt it lost some of its edge. Joel Kinnaman was definitely more convincing as Takeshi Kovac than Anthony Mackie.
Quite enjoyed the second season, possibly because it was such a departure from the books that I wasn't even tempted to compare. Just a different story at this point, they shouldn't really bother with a shared title.
It has been cancelled:
https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/altered...x-no-season-3/
Im not surprised, I enjoyed the first season, second was a bit meh
Well that’s not welcome news but hardly surprising. As stated season two was not as good as the first.
Gets annoying when you commit to a show and it gets canceleld without resolution, it's makin it harder to decide on new shows to watch
Any shows in particular? Altered Carbon in both series had a conclusionQuote:
Originally Posted by goldstar0011
Even Firefly got a conclusion eventually.Quote:
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