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    Re: Culture, a brief history.

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    Well you seem to have made up the part about me referring to Sci-Fi...
    That was in the context of agreeing with and further substantiating your response to the other poster's reference to it... as well as commenting on 'current' thinking, since it appears almost self-evident enough to be a First Principle.

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    [T>all your posts tell me is how limited your viewpoint is; stereotypes, labels, cliches. You don't seem to have any opinions of your own(just denial of what others say), or even any vaguely interesting ideas. Do better 4/10].

    I hadn't really understood how much our behaviour and perceptions are decided by our culture(it's obvious when you think about it). Hard when you are embedded in something to see how it affects you.

    I see culture in terms of flow of ideas, so that flow of ideas can improve our lives now, and improve lives across the planet. If you combine that with forethought(critical to human survival) and imagination, it's easy to see how we use ideas even projecting into future scenarios.

    If you think of the modern era of sci fi, starting with; Mary Shelly's Frankenstein(incredible vision of man made life), The Time Machine, H G Wells, Brave New World, 1984, the work of Dick, Asimov,etc and all the more recent books, films; it seems like humans have played out every possible future scenario through cultural expression. I say modern era because there's a darker side to this vision of the future, no doubt inspired by historical events and scientific discoveries of that particular time, and many of these works addressed complex issues as well as being entertaining.

    Everyone knows how on the simplest level, Star Trek inspired much tech development.> https://www.nasa.gov/topics/technolo...star_trek.html

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    Re: Culture, a brief history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    That was in the context of agreeing with and further substantiating your response to the other poster's reference to it... as well as commenting on 'current' thinking, since it appears almost self-evident enough to be a First Principle.
    Well a wise man would have taken it as a back-handed compliment, rather than setting to work with his shovel again...
    If Wisdom is the coordination of "knowledge and experience" and its deliberate use to improve well being then how come "Ignorance is bliss"

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    Re: Culture, a brief history.

    it's not just sharks we need to worry about

    https://streamable.com/ck7vn

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    Re: Culture, a brief history.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousSam View Post
    Well a wise man would have taken it as a back-handed compliment, rather than setting to work with his shovel again...
    On that matter of shovels.... *cough*

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    Re: Culture, a brief history.

    Quote Originally Posted by atemporal View Post
    it's not just sharks we need to worry about

    https://streamable.com/ck7vn
    It seems it's Spielberg should have chosen a different predator. Upwards of 100 million sharks slaughtered by humans yearly, and about ten human fatalities due to sharks. It does seem that film makers, writers seek to invoke our ancient fears, whether that's sea monsters, or alien monsters.

    Here's a Zizek clip I enjoy. He examines the sci fi film 'They Live'(not a great film but interesting idea), where social control is embedded in culture(or ideology)>
    Last edited by johnroe; 14-07-2018 at 07:37 PM.

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    Re: Culture, a brief history.

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    Snip... where social control is embedded in culture(or ideology)>
    Specifically through the use of narratives that tap into underlying emotional / psychological structures.
    If Wisdom is the coordination of "knowledge and experience" and its deliberate use to improve well being then how come "Ignorance is bliss"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousSam View Post
    Specifically through the use of narratives that tap into underlying emotional / psychological structures.
    I think that's always been the most basic way of controlling whole populations. But this idea of decoding everything was new when that film was made. All States use forms of control; from strong propaganda feeding people ideas and narratives, to monitoring them through heavy surveillance making sure they follow the party line, say in E.Europe(1970's).

    In the West it's become very sophisticated, culture is continually feeding us different narratives, some from those old centralised organisations like the church. The basic narrative of most American films is protect the family, christian morals. Others are down to ideology, there are many competing ideas overlaid over those basic needs, or even manipulating them. Here's a parody of an advert to sell sweets in the 70's>

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    Re: Culture, a brief history.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnroe View Post
    I think that's always been the most basic way of controlling whole populations. But this idea of decoding everything was new when that film was made. All States use forms of control; from strong propaganda feeding people ideas and narratives, to monitoring them through heavy surveillance making sure they follow the party line, say in E.Europe(1970's).

    In the West it's become very sophisticated, culture is continually feeding us different narratives, some from those old centralised organisations like the church. The basic narrative of most American films is protect the family, christian morals. Others are down to ideology, there are many competing ideas overlaid over those basic needs, or even manipulating them. Here's a parody of an advert to sell sweets in the 70's>
    Qe? If there's one thing the predominant western culture is not doing it's preserving christian morals. Seriously? Where are you getting that from?

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    Re: Culture, a brief history.

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    Qe? If there's one thing the predominant western culture is not doing it's preserving christian morals. Seriously? Where are you getting that from?
    I think all those old centres of power, and thought control; the church, corporations and governments continually affirm their ideals. While other sub cultures express theirs. You see it in many mainstream American films, a group of people go through some challenge. Some members are sacrificed, but a couple male and a female usually survive. Spielberg's films have that recurrent trope, reuniting the family.

    Another interesting shift is down to a feminist sub culture, once women were told to imagine themselves in the protagonists role(even though at that time they were mostly portrayed by muscular dumb men). Now you often see the woman take control. Sometimes the woman goes on a journey from old style feminism to a modern construct. All the old constructs of identity, ideology; are being shown to be just that.

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    Re: Culture, a brief history.

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    [T>all your posts tell me is how limited your viewpoint is; stereotypes, labels, cliches. You don't seem to have any opinions of your own(just denial of what others say), or even any vaguely interesting ideas. Do better 4/10].
    Limited?
    You haven't had a single original thought!! Everything you post is just a map of your internet search history. All these 'ideas' are just a direct reposting of someone else's work. Any time you've tried to build a case of your own, you've simply made things up... and again you're resporting to stereotypical childish forum insults, despite asserting that you don't do this.

    I call you on your BS - Sorry you don't find that interesting, but I'm not here to entertain you.

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    Re: Culture, a brief history.

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    Limited?
    You haven't had a single original thought!! Everything you post is just a map of your internet search history. All these 'ideas' are just a direct reposting of someone else's work. Any time you've tried to build a case of your own, you've simply made things up... and again you're resporting to stereotypical childish forum insults, despite asserting that you don't do this.

    I call you on your BS - Sorry you don't find that interesting, but I'm not here to entertain you.
    Still nothing of any value. Looking at your references it makes sense. You can't even come up with an original insult!

    I said we live in a culture where ideas flow. Even those who we hold up as bright minds, are absorbing everything of value around them, interpreting and forming working opinions. Ideas flow through all our culture, then flow through us. And scientists, artists, writers, film makers, inventors are all tuned into the zeitgeist.

    Sometimes, and especially these days we have to read the signs, the sub text. But watch and analyse any decent film, or look at what is happening around us, in terms of culture, counter culture, multiculturalism, also in terms of decoding propaganda or fake news, being culturally aware not only makes the bright minds, but also people in general, more sophisticated.

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    I do find your choice of feminism somewhat curious, seeing as it has morphed into something not even most women agree with. If anything it is one of the best modern examples of an ideology. Seeing as it is based on warped notion of post modernism and the rather facile idea of the blank slate.
    If Wisdom is the coordination of "knowledge and experience" and its deliberate use to improve well being then how come "Ignorance is bliss"

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    Re: Culture, a brief history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Limited?
    You haven't had a single original thought!! Everything you post is just a map of your internet search history. All these 'ideas' are just a direct reposting of someone else's work. Any time you've tried to build a case of your own, you've simply made things up... and again you're resporting to stereotypical childish forum insults, despite asserting that you don't do this.

    I call you on your BS - Sorry you don't find that interesting, but I'm not here to entertain you.



    Quote Originally Posted by johnroe View Post
    Still nothing of any value. Looking at your references it makes sense. You can't even come up with an original insult!
    Pot to kettle.

    You type a lot for someone with so little to say.

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    Re: Culture, a brief history.

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    Still nothing of any value. Looking at your references it makes sense. You can't even come up with an original insult!
    Yet more things that you gloss over.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnroe View Post
    I said we live in a culture where ideas flow.
    Pretty sure that's just someone else's view that you got off YouTube.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnroe View Post
    And scientists, artists, writers, film makers, inventors are all tuned into the zeitgeist.
    So said Tess Gerritsen.

    Quote Originally Posted by johnroe View Post
    being culturally aware not only makes the bright minds, but also people in general, more sophisticated.
    Actually it dilutes more than it progresses society. A useful tactic to eliminate competition and control the market, but of course you were aware of that...

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