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    I think this is a good idea, good for the economy and all that. honestly thats the only the reason I agree, no desire to use it for anything untoward honestly >.>

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    I'm not saying a fiber backbone isn't important, only not for homes.

    For the home copper is adiquate for now.

    Those who want the (in my mind) decident performance of fiber, can either pay the likes of NTL too fit it, or suffer.

    No way should this be subsidised by tax (or lost tax revinue).

    SMBs are the only ones who this makes any sense for, home users no, if you really want fiber in your home, then i hope its because your making the worlds best spider to crawl the web, otherwise, for 2007, you really should go outside.
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    Yes, but a fibre infrastructure makes it possible to put fibre in the home when copper becomes inadequate. As well rolling it in to new houses as they're built.

    And why shouldn't it be subsidised by tax?.. Isn't that what we pay taxes for?.. To improve the country?.. or is it all for Tony and the cabinet?
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    this petition is for fiber to every home.

    emphasis on home.
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    And it would eventually end up in every home, even if 10 years down the road.
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    then let it end up there, no need for pointless intervention.

    Worry about the backbone infrastructure, not wasting billions of pounds putting fibre into homes, think of the road chaos!
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    money money... is fo funny... in the rich mans world...

    Also to ask, what grade of fiber optic do you want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee @ SCAN View Post
    Yeap and then we have the cables they scrimped and saved money on back in the seventies. Rather than use copper, they decided to use a much cheaper aluminium wiring which has cause nothing but headaches in some areas when people tried to get broadband.
    I think there was a very good reason for not using copper at the time. I believe there was a bit of a shortage of the stuff. What you could get was rediculously expensive, and even then it was difficult to come by. My dad has told me he even resorted to getting some black market stuff off a mate when doing some plumbing back then.

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    And at the time the carrier was only ever intended to carry rough analogue signals with no concern for signal integrity. Paying for it now though. I wonder how much of the core infra is corroded/oxidised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post

    For the home copper is adiquate for now
    Really?

    I'm not saying i disagree with your whole post, but the current situation is a joke. About 30% of people in the UK cant get any DSL at all due to line length and poor quality lines.

    It all need replacing, and they are doing so (although it wont help most people until 2011), but if they replacing the whole network, why use copper again when it would be a good opportunity for something better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by autopilot View Post
    Really?

    I'm not saying i disagree with your whole post, but the current situation is a joke. About 30% of people in the UK cant get any DSL at all due to line length and poor quality lines.

    It all need replacing, and they are doing so (although it wont help most people until 2011), but if they replacing the whole network, why use copper again when it would be a good opportunity for something better?
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    My thoughts exactly.
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    lots more people can't get mains gas, which in terms of boiler is much more 'carbon friendly' i belive? should we all not be rallying for that?

    or our leaky pipes?

    No. You live in a house, you want broadband, you pay.

    Sorry, i've lived in cornwall and theres a reason i now consider looking at property in zone 4 (london) too be "in the sticks". If i end up buying a place that has a dodgy phone line, shouldn't i pay for companyx to connect me?

    VDSL and other such technologies i've always been told bring that 30% too about 5%, the same 5% that would be too bloody expensive to optical fiber up. Sorry, but there are dieing aids orphans starving in wolverhampton you know.

    Backbone is important, as is the posistion BT play, they have a total monopoly of soo many areas.

    But this, is pointless, and i'm totaly against it.
    (and i'm a massive geek who pays for 24mbit broadband...)
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    Many people wouldn't mind paying for 24mbit, the point is, you have to be sitting practically next door to an exchange with ADSL2+ DSLAMS, which is scarce. fibre doesn't degrade into doggy poop 1km down the road. BT owns the infrastructure for the entire country, you can blame the government for that, so we work with them or screw ourselves. But whatever, you seem to think the government should stick with the status quo (i.e. do nothing but rob us), fair enough, I don't agree with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post

    Sorry, i've lived in cornwall and theres a reason i now consider looking at property in zone 4 (london) too be "in the sticks". If i end up buying a place that has a dodgy phone line, shouldn't i pay for companyx to connect me?

    why should you pay for the company to fix the phone line its called line rental thats what you pay bt for

    if i have to pay for a better line because the one installed is not adequate can i take that piece of line with me

    just a thought

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    Whilst fibre would be great the petition is worthless.

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    Think fibre is on the way folks

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04..._redundancies/

    You can get a fibre connection if you have deep pockets.

    Personally I'd prefer 100 Mbps Ethernet or even better Gigabit Ethernet.

    Surely that would suffice for even the most heavy users?

    I might stand a chance in Counter Strike then also


    No more waiting for the modem to retrain and speed going up and down like a yo-yo

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