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    Re: BT Total Broadband Exposed....

    NOt read all the replies so someone here might've already covered it but first off, as has been said, it's not BT doing it deliberately, it's there servers trying to find a stable line speed.

    How far are you from the exchange as this can have a severe impact on your speeds. You need to be under 3k for 8Mb... and even then you need to have good quality lines from the exchange to you.

    Next, where in the telephone circuit in your house is your modem connected?

    You have ONE BT master socket, everything else is an extension and ideally you want to be plugged into that master socket. If that's not feasible, then you want to be as close as you can with as few connections between you and the master socket.

    Have a look at the phone wiring behind the socket. How many pairs of wires are connected? All you need is the pair that goes to pins 5 and 2, but you may have another pair connected for the phones to ring. Disconnect the other pair, leaving pins 2 and 5 connected. That other pair is legacy stuff to make a phone ring but a microfilter generates the ring signal internally so you don't need those wires connected and all they're doing is acting like a great big radio antenna and feeding junk noise back into the system.

    Be aware that if you're in a modern house with ready fitted extension sockets in the walls, then these will be wired up in series... ie, one socket connects to the next and that connects to the next one etc. The more of these there are the more your signal will be degraded.

    What type of micro-filter are you using? Believe me, there's a MASSIVE difference in micro-filters and the ones BT, Virgin etc supply are ok for low speed/strong signal connections but crap for high speed. Have a look at http://www.adslnation.com for a decent microfilter.

    If any of these are a problem then you'll have trouble getting a fast speed and the line will automatically be throttled back.

    What happens is that the server detects a disconnect becuase of instability in the signal and when your modem redials it automatically attempts to connect at a slower speed where things might be more stable.

    There's two ways of deciding your stable speed, the first is to go fast and throttle back until there's no disconnects over a 72hour period. Once that speed is proving stable the line is then usually throttled back by another 10% or so to allow for surges etc and that's your stable connection speed.

    The other way is for the line to start off slow and gradually increase in speed. The advantage of this way is that you have continuous service for the duration of the training perios except for when the speed causes instabilities... then you drop back to the last stable speed and again maybe drop down another 10% to cope for errors etc.

    Now, even though you think what you're buying from BT is 8Mb, what you're buying is the potential to go to 8Mb depending on all of the above and a whole load of other variables... Look around at other BB suppliers, they all offer 8Mb but it's all theoretical speeds.

    So, the best you can do to secure a fast connection is address the issues above. Guess which poor sod here is re-wiring his phone circuit this weekend to get the ready-plumbed in phone socket off being the last in the series? Still, it'll remove around 30 meters of un-needed phone line!
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    Re: BT Total Broadband Exposed....

    BT definatly throttle / traffic shape the connection. I went from being able to download at 100kbs - 180kbs to at best 25kbs on BT. Everytrhing else is same apart from ISP. Worst decision I made, guess I have another 9 months to regret it!!!

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    Re: BT Total Broadband Exposed....

    @ Stanman - Well that depends - if it wasnt in your T & C's that you agreed to then you have grounds to leave your contract.

    @ Nick - good info! though it wasnt aimed at me i thank you for it. I've disconnected the orange "Ring " pair in a house or two and have found that it can improve the connection signal quality. I read that it was becaus ethis pair can basically act as a great big AM antennae.....


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    Re: BT Total Broadband Exposed....

    - Would a different/ better router than the BT Home Hub improve things at all?

    - How do you go about increasing your speed/ decreasing it? As I thought that BT did this after the ten day thing. I have recently changed my master socket and removed all the extensions, so would like to be re-profiled, how do I go about this?

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    Re: BT Total Broadband Exposed....

    Just call up BT and ask them to re-train the line... explain you've made some alterations to the phone wiring in the house.

    However, DO NOT say that you've mucked around with the master socket or the wiring coming into the house from the street... BT Own the socket and the wiring running into it from the street. In some cases they may even own all the extension wiring too so if I were you I'd just ask for re-trainging... though you may have to push quite hard to get it.
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    Re: BT Total Broadband Exposed....

    The exchange retrains all the time - every time you sync in fact. If you sync at a different speed, then your BRAS profile will be updated if it's stable for a period of time. ADSL MAX was designed to be constantly adaptive (after all, phone lines can vary over time). The biggest problem is patience - because changes often aren't 'instant' so people stress about it If you're sync is higher than it's previously been, then you should see your BRAS slowly creep up (and your speeds increase) so long as the line isn't constantly dropping out (reverting to a lower speed because of line quality problems) and remaining stable. Post up on here: http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/ - it's the best place for help on ADSL and there's quite a few BT engineers floating around on there (one helped me out with my stuck BRAS profile when moving to ADSLMAX for the first time).

    You should read this as a primer: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/faq/sections/radsl.html which explains how synch speed/bras relate.
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    Re: BT Total Broadband Exposed....

    Quote Originally Posted by dangel View Post
    ...which explains how synch speed/bras relate.
    Does that mean that women have teh faster internets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmunk View Post
    Does that mean that women have teh faster internets?




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    Re: BT Total Broadband Exposed....

    Guys this is nothing new.
    All ISP's are Shaping connections now.
    I can run Speedtests all day long on my Talk Talk ADSL connection and get 3.8 mbit, try and download from a Newsserver between 8 am and 12:30 Midnight and thats another story.
    They are not throttling your line they are merely capping and blocking most Newsservers now during Peak hours which incidentally have gone from 8am to 5pm to 8am to after midnight now.

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    Re: BT Total Broadband Exposed....

    Quote Originally Posted by StoX View Post
    - Would a different/ better router than the BT Home Hub improve things at all?

    - How do you go about increasing your speed/ decreasing it? As I thought that BT did this after the ten day thing. I have recently changed my master socket and removed all the extensions, so would like to be re-profiled, how do I go about this?
    Absolutely, I ditched mine after 2 weeks, even though I got the phone with it
    with free evening calls. The FW port forwarding was a b****** to set up, gave up in the end.

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