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    leased lines

    I am very confused about these things at the moment.

    A long time ago I used to have a 128K lease line for a Point to point network, it was in its own layer but still gave us connection to the internet on both ends.

    These days I am stumped on how they work.....

    I am in a situation where the local exchange hasn't been updated since about 1940 odd and I need to connect 3 offices to a single head office for Terminal Services. Head office has a max internet speed (ADSL / SDSL only) of 512kb/s both ways (never actually get that though) and there is no fiber in the box at the end of the road.

    If I wanted a lease line could they even do it? If they did would it give me decent bandwith at HQ? Could I then use the decent Business cable lines at each remote site to connect them to the Lease line for terminal services?

    Please help... this Business ADSL line at HQ is 1 step up from smoke signals.
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    Re: leased lines

    I suspect they would bond multiple leased lines but the cost would be ridiculous....

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    Re: leased lines

    so I am basically up the creek....?

    The problem is that I can't even locate the servers in another area as 90% of the users are at HQ.
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    Re: leased lines

    Bonded DSL lines mebbe?

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    Re: leased lines

    everything is possible , just as a cost.

    how far apart are your offices ? you could look at a LES if its supported.

    for your part of the world , you might get a good price from someone like Zen , but I suspect you wont like it ( leased line pricing is based on the distance from you to the POP )
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    Re: leased lines

    NTL leased lines seem pretty good at the moment - 8MB is costing us £16k per annum.. (non cabled area too)

    Zen will be rather expensive unless you're near their HQ - your line length will need to be huge to connect to their POP..
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    Re: leased lines

    do they do a 4mb and is that 4mb / 4mb?
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    Re: leased lines

    Depending on where you are, Urban Wimax offer decent WiFi (2mb up to 10mb). Works over quite a range and then you could use site-to-site VPNs with Fireboxes or similar.

    http://www.urbanwimax.co.uk/

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    Re: leased lines

    Jay,

    Best way to do this is get on the phone and ask for quotes. BT, NTL, Kingston etc etc. They would all be able to quote fairly quickly. I've had several 2mb (6) sync circuits put in to diverse routed exchanges where some didn't even have routes to.

    Distance to connect was about 45Miles, the 2mb circuits cost £13K a year with the diverse routing, but that was back in 2004.

    I'd never done it before then and it was easy to get sorted, Both BT and Kingston came in, did a site survey and quoted. Kingston didn't have the ability to do diverse routing where I was so I had no option apart from BT.

    I don't think the bandwidth is usually the issue, once you've got a leased line in place you can usually just extend the bandwidth accordingly.

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    Re: leased lines

    There's also something called the "National Ethernet Service" which some providers can tap into apparently, not entirely sure what's involved only it was one of our options
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    Re: leased lines

    do leased line still connect just two points together or are they now just a 1:1 connection to the exchange giving you more bandwith?
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    Re: leased lines

    You can do either.

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    Re: leased lines

    I had a meeting today with a rep from Kingston. So i'll see what it comes out to and post back.
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    Re: leased lines

    well I got the first prices back and its painful

    we have 1 central site and 3 remote sites.

    for each site to be connected it is going to cost £10,000 per install and then £9,000 per year EACH.

    The install prices are just far to much.

    I can get a 2mb / 2mb line put in for £1,000 and then £10,000 a year at the central headoffice. Each site will have about 4 thin clients for terminal services. Do you think that 512k up would be enough per site? I could do this with Telewests business cable lines, no real SLA but its my only option.

    So, HQ would have a 1:1 2mb/2mb line

    each site would connect via IPSec over a business cable line to HQ. What do you think?
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    Re: leased lines

    I'd have thought you'd be fine with that, actually; we have people using RDP from standard 2Mb/256kb ADSL sites, at the same time as other people are picking up mail, and it's still usable. BTW, IPSec's OK, but have you considered something like an SSL VPN concentrator? Much less admin hassle once it's set up. Netgear, Billion, Sonicwall all do reasonable ones, and they'd be accessible from any internet connection - the Sonicwalls that we use actually have an ActiveX AND Java RDP client built in.

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    Re: leased lines

    I have looked into SSL and it was Sonicwall. I think I may go that way as they are far less expensive than the Cisco SSL setups.

    IPsec was only going to be used for a short time to test and so I can get my second wave of upgrades done. This place needs a lot of work..
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