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    Network Utilization & Transfer Speeds on Gigabit Network?

    Hi Guys,

    I've just purchased a new router, the Linksys WRT320N which has a 4 port Gigabit switch built in. As most of my network is wired, that's perfect for me and a cheap and easy way to speed up file transfers (which we do a lot of).

    Now I have a Download and Storage Server in the loft running Vista x64, my main pc runs Windows 7 x64 7232 and there are two other computers, one running Vista x32 and the other running Vista x64. All the PCs use onboard 10/100/1000 NICs and with the exception of one, which is run through a 10/100 switch for a networked laser printer they should all get 1 Gbps.

    Now my Windows 7 PC is fine, I get 60-80% network Utilization when transfering from the server in the loft via a mapped networked drive. 1Gb files take about 15 seconds to copy over. I'm guessing the last 20% or so is more down to drive speed and other factors but that doesn't matter to me.

    Now I did some testing and the Vista Pc's never seem to peak over 30MB/s during transfer, however I was using one set of files and strangely on others they get higher. But that aside I've never seen them get above 40% of Network Utilization on the 1 Gbps link (Info from Windows Task Manger), which while not slow isn't exactly great either. All the PCs are using 7200RPM drives and the Vista x64 PC that my sister uses and transfers alot with has the same model of 500Gb Seagate 7200.11 drive that the Windows 7 PC uses.

    So is Vista just terrible at network performance or can I do something about it by tweaking settings?

    I've look at forcing 1Gbps Dulpex on the PCs under the NIC properties, but the only one that has that listed is the Server and that's already set. All the PCs have updated drivers and the only other thing aside from OS that I can see might be cable length, as the Windows 7 PC is right next to the router, but that can't be it surely? The others use about 15-20m of cat 5e cable.

    Hope someone who knows more about this can clear things up.

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    Re: Network Utilization & Transfer Speeds on Gigabit Network?

    vista can be a bit slow at time with network transfers but the quality of the NIC is also a big factor.
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    Re: Network Utilization & Transfer Speeds on Gigabit Network?

    Whats your storage config on the various machines?.. generally on gb lan, youll find that hard drives and CPU are the bottleneck unless you have quite a beefy raid setup and TOE cards.... vista and w7 use the same version of SMB2 so network performance should be the same.

    also dont forget that hard-drive benchmarks are best-case, and rarely valid in realworld use unless they are empty non-OS drives.

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    Re: Network Utilization & Transfer Speeds on Gigabit Network?

    Hard drives will be the determing factor. Theres a article on TomsHardWare about 'gigabit' networks, give it a read!

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    Re: Network Utilization & Transfer Speeds on Gigabit Network?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    vista can be a bit slow at time with network transfers but the quality of the NIC is also a big factor.
    Indeed, I guess as they are different motherboards then that could be a factor with different onboard NIC chipsets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo_VR View Post
    Whats your storage config on the various machines?.. generally on gb lan, youll find that hard drives and CPU are the bottleneck unless you have quite a beefy raid setup and TOE cards.... vista and w7 use the same version of SMB2 so network performance should be the same.

    also dont forget that hard-drive benchmarks are best-case, and rarely valid in realworld use unless they are empty non-OS drives.
    They are all standard 7200rpm drives configured how you would on a normal desktop system, standard non-raid setup sata ports. Two of the systems, the Vista x64 desktop and the Windows 7 x64 desktop also have exactly the same hard drive as mentioned in the opening post.

    It could be the CPU, the Vista x64 Desktop has a C2D and the Windows 7 x64 desktop has a Q6600 but I can't see it making that much difference. We are talking about around 40% less max network Utilization, on the same files coming from the same server drive shared the same way.

    It might be the default OS settings, I've heard certain settings can make a big impact on transfer speeds so if you can point them out I'll give them a go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terbinator View Post
    Hard drives will be the determing factor. Theres a article on TomsHardWare about 'gigabit' networks, give it a read!
    I'll take a look, but as above I think it has to be something else.

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    Re: Network Utilization & Transfer Speeds on Gigabit Network?

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed View Post
    I've heard certain settings can make a big impact on transfer speeds so if you can point them out I'll give them a go.
    Sustained transfer speeds for standard hard drives are bad. Presuming your going to be copying a lot of, and large files over your network, them high burst speeds are going to be no use to you.

    From the article, last page "Or, take the more proactive approach and use your enthusiast smarts to build storage arrays able to work around the limitations of today's HDD technology The result will undoubtedly be better throughput from your network."

    Link to full article.

    Edit: Are you using decent cables and thought about maybe buying a dual-gigabit NIC card to get 2x throughput ?

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    Re: Network Utilization & Transfer Speeds on Gigabit Network?

    Quote Originally Posted by Terbinator View Post
    See: Hard drives.

    Sustained transfer speeds for standard hard drives are bad. Presuming your going to be copying a lot of, and large files over your network, them high burst speeds are going to be no use to you.

    From the article, last page "Or, take the more proactive approach and use your enthusiast smarts to build storage arrays able to work around the limitations of today's HDD technology The result will undoubtedly be better throughput from your network."

    Link to full article.
    I've read it yes, but I'm not a huge fan of toms hardware, they do make some interesting points but it doesn't explain what's happening here.

    As mentioned (see above), same hard drive models, mounted the same way, non-raid. Different motherboards yes, so it could be the chipsets for either the sata or the NIC, but there is also the difference in OS.

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    Re: Network Utilization & Transfer Speeds on Gigabit Network?

    Maybe try a linux distro then to see if that results in less overhead?

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    Re: Network Utilization & Transfer Speeds on Gigabit Network?

    Can't beat Intel NICs for performance.

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    Re: Network Utilization & Transfer Speeds on Gigabit Network?

    Try using a third party tool like TeraCopy. Also trying playing with the Jumbo Packets on your NIC properties. That might or might not help.

    I've never experienced these network slowdowns on Vista. But I've read alot about them. SP1 was meant to fix the problem. But some people are still moaning about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terbinator View Post
    Maybe try a linux distro then to see if that results in less overhead?
    Yeah or install Windows 7. Once I switch over to a SSD on my Windows 7 PC I'll have freed up another fast 500Gb hard drive so I can use that rather than screwing up her Vista installation.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteSmith View Post
    Not tried that, I'll give it a go.

    Quote Originally Posted by ash_rm View Post
    Can't beat Intel NICs for performance.
    Even the cheap ones? Seen a few for around £20.

    Quote Originally Posted by Singh400 View Post
    Try using a third party tool like TeraCopy. Also trying playing with the Jumbo Packets on your NIC properties. That might or might not help.

    I've never experienced these network slowdowns on Vista. But I've read alot about them. SP1 was meant to fix the problem. But some people are still moaning about it.
    I'll give that a go. What does Jumbo Packets do anyways?

    Going to try SP2 tomorrow on the Vista x64 setup to see if that helps as well.

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    Yes, even the cheap Intel NICs are incredibly better pieces of hardware than 99.999% of the on-board NICs found on motherboards these days (unless it happens to be an Intel NIC on the motherboard).
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    Right just a quick update, thanks for all the replies. I purchased a cheap Intel Gigabit NIC after recommendations from various people and I have to say it's really improved the transfer speeds and consistancy, so I'm fairly happy now. Just got to do a bit more testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed View Post
    What does Jumbo Packets do anyways?
    I missed this question but I suppose it's worth answering now since you're testing. Jumbo 'Packets' (it's meant to be "Jumbo Frames") are Ethernet frames with an MTU (Maximum Transmission Unit) bigger than the default/standard value of 1500, that is, 1500 plus frame overhead, for e.g., the FROM/TO MAC addresses, checksum value, and ethernet type, and then you have the payload (e.g. IP data). The maximum MTU of a Jumbo Frame should not exceed 9000, and that is NIC dependent. Anyway, by using larger frame sizes you incure less overhead to your payload, and thus, in theory, be able to transmit more data through the connection in less time. This basically means less bandwidth is wasted on frame metadata.

    There are a number of problems however. If a machine on your network has a NIC which doesn't support Jumbo Frames (MTU values greater than 1500), it wont be able to talk to the ones which do. And equally, you can only use an MTU value supported by the lowest common denominator, if you have a NIC which will only handle a Jumbo Frame size of 5000, you have to use that throughout your network.

    You might ask yourself why the Ethernet specifications don't just make Jumbo Frames the default. But consider what happens when a NIC receives a corrupt 9kb frame (a mangled bit somewhere). It'll drop it, and the sending machine will need to send another big frame with the possibility of more corruption. So the standard value of 1500 is kind of the best of both worlds, being able to hold a large chunk of data, with the better error handling of smaller frames. But this is more of a problem in noisy environments like the work place, industrial buildings in particular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    I missed this question but I suppose it's worth answering now since you're testing. Jumbo 'Packets' (it's meant to be "Jumbo Frames") are Ethernet frames with an MTU (Maximum Transmission Unit) bigger than the default/standard value of 1500, that is, 1500 plus frame overhead, for e.g., the FROM/TO MAC addresses, checksum value, and ethernet type, and then you have the payload (e.g. IP data). The maximum MTU of a Jumbo Frame should not exceed 9000, and that is NIC dependent. Anyway, by using larger frame sizes you incure less overhead to your payload, and thus, in theory, be able to transmit more data through the connection in less time. This basically means less bandwidth is wasted on frame metadata.

    There are a number of problems however. If a machine on your network has a NIC which doesn't support Jumbo Frames (MTU values greater than 1500), it wont be able to talk to the ones which do. And equally, you can only use an MTU value supported by the lowest common denominator, if you have a NIC which will only handle a Jumbo Frame size of 5000, you have to use that throughout your network.

    You might ask yourself why the Ethernet specifications don't just make Jumbo Frames the default. But consider what happens when a NIC receives a corrupt 9kb frame (a mangled bit somewhere). It'll drop it, and the sending machine will need to send another big frame with the possibility of more corruption. So the standard value of 1500 is kind of the best of both worlds, being able to hold a large chunk of data, with the better error handling of smaller frames. But this is more of a problem in noisy environments like the work place, industrial buildings in particular.
    Thanks very much for the detailed reply!

    I am actually back to square one, transfer speeds of under 12MB/s with the new Intel NIC. Not sure if changing the MTU on the router would have an affect? Basically I had problems with the internet dieing and transfer speeds slowing when the connection was being maxed out but *touch wood* altering the MTU has sorted this.

    As for Jumbo Frames, I'm not sure at least from what I read that my router supports them.

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