All in one sockets?

[Shooty*]

Guys,
Am about to move house (well, in a few months. Hopefully). Will be having an extension built, and will use that (and the fact that the house is currently decorated throughout in a tasteful "old people" scheme) as an excuse to run proper network cables through most of the rooms, instead of home plugs.

does anyone know, however, if you can get a single faceplate which has mains power AND RJ45 style network adapters built in? And, to stress again, built into the SAME faceplate?
Sure, I can imagine it's a tight squeeze, but even a slightly oversized faceplate would be considered.

Otherwise, I anticipate that I'll have to go for 1 double mains outlet, and a network faceplate by that, which mrs shooty would be less keen on.

Also wondering where to put my home server and the network hub. Attic? Garage? Utility room?

Decisions, decisions.

[mycarsavw]

You can buy modular outlets and build whatever you want.

Screwfix have loads to choose from with Philex being my personal brand of choice

EDIT: Server in the attic is usually a bad idea - freezing cold during the winter and roasting during the summer

[killie99]

Never seen mains and network on 1 faceplate. Solution might be to have the mains and modular plate as close to each other as possible. Not sure you'd want mains and network on 1 plate anyway, might make the network a bit prone to picking up interference from the mains.

[Re-Invented]

I dont think personally you will find them as electricity not the best thing to be playing about with so modular is probably very unlikely and for the size of a network port surely the missus isnt going to complain that much.

On another note i run my file server in the loft with a piece of tumble dryer tube out the wall for ventilation straight into the box just rmeber to stick a filter on it , winter its rusn lovely and cool sometimes take the tube off, summer just a bitch its always hot but does its job and works.

Every nice little hiding place always seems to be confinded so you sometimes end up with heat issues.

Lee

[Shooty*]

I would never have looked at Screwfix.
I had a look in B&Q this afternoon, and screwfix are way cheaper. Thanks guys.

[killie99]

even cheaper at http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Elec...ms/d190/sd2745 but not as good a range

[mycarsavw]

I would never have looked at Screwfix.
I had a look in B&Q this afternoon, and screwfix are way cheaper. Thanks guys.

I've just done the same thing myself over the weekend just gone, with co-ax and RJ45 - not quite as hardcore as mains and RJ45 though and I'm not sure you can (or should) integrate the two.

You'd probably need a modular double mains socket and then two RJ45s all in a 4-gang pattress - if there is such a thing.

[badass]

What I do know it that it's illegal for power and data cables to go through the same trunking on business premeses.
I'd never have mains and network on the same faceplate.

[synaesthesia]

What I do know it that it's illegal for power and data cables to go through the same trunking on business premeses.
I'd never have mains and network on the same faceplate.

Got any official like documentation for that? One of the sites I deal with has a whole room full of kit wired exactly in that manner - I shrieked when I saw it and demanded to know who fitted it :| Guessing it's in the IEEE regs somewhere but my searching skills lack :|

[killie99]

What I do know it that it's illegal for power and data cables to go through the same trunking on business premeses.
I'd never have mains and network on the same faceplate.

Are you sure, I've asked our top sparky and he isn't aware of any reg that says it's illegal? I've worked in several places where data and power are in the same trunking, infact next to my desk right now I have mains and data in the same trunking on adjacent faceplates.

[peterb]

I don't think it is illegal, but it is not good practice (but see link I have added below) - often the dado rail type trunking has two internal compartments, one for power, one for telecomms and other low voltage ccts. I can't find the relevant clause, but IET regs discuss the lixing of low violtage and high voltage ccts, and it comes under that general area.

A dual faceplate would not be good - there are exposed terminals on both the RF45 and the mains socket, and if one cable came adrift and touched the other...

Which is probably why you can't find any. However putting an RJ45 next to a power socket is acceptable, because the terminals in both are enclosed and separated by the mounting boxes.

Edit:

Found this

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Book/6.6.1.htm

[Shooty*]

I shrieked when I saw it and demanded to know who fitted it :| Guessing it's in the IEEE regs somewhere but my searching skills lack :|

Good shriek, or bad shriek?

[gss03]

I would have throught putting data cabling near electrical power cabling would be bad.

Any time I've had cabling done in office premises for both power and data I've needed to get 3 compartment surface mounted trunking installed at huge cost to the customer!

[synaesthesia]

Bad, especially as it was a brand new building, (a school) and there were more corners being cut than in a circle-shaped-thing-making-warehouse.

[peterb]

Got any official like documentation for that? One of the sites I deal with has a whole room full of kit wired exactly in that manner - I shrieked when I saw it and demanded to know who fitted it :| Guessing it's in the IEEE regs somewhere but my searching skills lack :|

As I mentioned earlier in the thread

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Book/6.6.1.htm

[badass]

Are you sure, I've asked our top sparky and he isn't aware of any reg that says it's illegal? I've worked in several places where data and power are in the same trunking, infact next to my desk right now I have mains and data in the same trunking on adjacent faceplates.

I should have worded that better. I meant same compartments in the trunking. The trunking you are talking about will almost certainly have multiple compartments (our dado trunking has 3) and you'll find the power and ethernet are in different compartments for safety.