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    new switch and wireless?

    Right, basically i dislike my netgear router now because it fails at working with most of my mates when we try and play online matches etc because it blocks them, they have crap routers so its not all its fault but still annoying. The wireless also doesnt reach to my room, the router is 1 floor below and like 5 or 10 meters forward so imo not that far.

    Now my thought was, get a switch cause then it should block anything since it is just designed to split the connection and not block every other thing correct?. Now what are the suggestions for switches? preferably 4 or 8 switch and maybe if ever possible to get a gigabit one so that it works better at lans.

    The other thing im thinking is how to get wireless? Is there such as thing as an ethernet to wireless adaptor ? I.e something that plugs into one of the switches ethernet ports and gives a wireless signal just like a usb adaptor? Or am i a total froob for thinking this? If so what alternatives would their be?


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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    An ethernet to wireless adaptor is a Wireless Access Point - there are loads out there.

    Wouldn't like to recommend one specifically... we use Netgear ones at work, both business and consumer lines, and to be fair they've never missed a beat. But my experience with Netgear at home has been dreadful, so I'm loathe to recommend.

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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    Ive used netgear for years and they have been solid, belkin on the otherhand was dire .

    Its just the router seems to block most things but if i had a netgear switch its alot more basic so... shouldnt have the problem . Will have a look at those access points.
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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    my netgear router doesnt like heat. it works brilliantly but the last time i had it too close to the table on the floor and it would just die on me. After cooling it down for a bit and keeping away from any surface then it will perform again. Other than that speeds across wifi can reach up to 700kb/sec

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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks12 View Post
    Ive used netgear for years and they have been solid, belkin on the otherhand was dire .
    I tend to find most Belkin stuff utter garbage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks12 View Post
    Its just the router seems to block most things but if i had a netgear switch its alot more basic so... shouldnt have the problem . Will have a look at those access points.
    You're planning on replacing your router with a switch? You'll have a different problem then - no possibility to have more than 1 machine online.

    A switch does different things to a router, the router (as the name implies) routes data, it also has a switch built in. The switch just let's machines connect together, a switch alone (unless you're looking at layer 3 or above) won't do any routing.

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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    I'm assuming he intends to plug in the switch downstream of the router - which would eliminate the router from the equation for LANs.

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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    I'm a bit lost as to what your problem is tbh Hicks.

    Is this games that you're hosting locally and your mates are connecting to via internet? Or games hosted on internet servers? Or LAN gaming when your mates all come round to your house?

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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    As others have said, you can't replace your router with a switch, you still need something to connect your network to your ISP and to handle IP addresses.

    What a router does:
    The most basic description is that it connects to your ISPs netowork (and hence the internet) and then manages your own network, dishing out IP addresses to any and all connected devices. It then "routes" traffic between the two networks, so traffic just between your own PCs stays on your network and only internet traffic goes over your connection.

    Of course they are a little more complicated than that, but that's the basics

    Have a look at the Project Log in my sig to see the network equipment I have. Draytec modem/router, 8-port gigabit switch and an Edimax wireless AP. All seperate, configurable and the most flexible setup within reason I could afford.

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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    If your hosting a game and people cannot connect, it might be worth looking into setting the PC or console you are using to host the games as the DMZ within the router.

    This should bypass all the NAT filtering and things like that within the router and will give you 100% unfiltered access to the internet, so ensure your secure and up to date

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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    Sorry for the very late replies guys as i totally forgot about this >.<.

    Ive had a few lans with a switch between 4 of us and we connected to the internet pefectly fine and had no issues playing counter strike source mixes over the internet?.

    I thought it was just hubs that do only the basics and can have 1 active at the same time but a switch was more advanced and just lacked the wireless part?.

    Bit confusing but basically, for lans the router is damn good but for online access i.e a 5v5 with everyone using their own internet at their homes it can sometimes be problematic as i need to unblock ports etc and even then it doesnt allways work but when i take my router off and do a direct connection its fine, now i cant do that often as my dad uses the wireless for his laptop. I would be happy setting all the ports open and be done with it but for some stupid reason my router has the habit of hiding the ports i open and then wont let me open a range of them as it conflicts with the hidden one, along with it changing the ip address of my pc every couple of days it means i cant change the ports if its hidden some of them as its assigned to a single address.

    I will have a look at that DMZ idea, although networking isnt sometime i spent much time on so will have to read on how to do it .

    Thanks for all the comments guys, again sorry for the delay.
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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks12 View Post
    Ive had a few lans with a switch between 4 of us and we connected to the internet pefectly fine and had no issues playing counter strike source mixes over the internet?.
    There would've been a router/modem somewhere between the switch and the phone line though.

    I think I'm right in saying that there are usually 3 elements:

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    Managed switch
    Modem

    And in a wireless router, all three are combined. In a normal router, you've got a managed switch and a modem.

    You can't eliminate the modem/router from the equation and connect to the internet.

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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    I think things are getting confused here.

    You need a router, no matter what. You don't have to connect directly to the router though, you can go through a switch, no problems with that and it will "just work". In fact most routers include a switch as well, that is what the 4 ports on a typica router are (think of it as a switch inside a router, not just a router with 4 ports). ADSL routers also include the modem, "broadband routers" don't but they are used for cable instalations where the supplied modem has an ethernet port. In this case the router is just sharing the single connection between multiple users.

    I don't know why you would need to unblock ports to get normal internet access working. I've never had to open any ports on any of mine unless it was for direct access to servers running insie my network running on unusual ports.

    Sounds to me like you might need to replace the router as that doesn't really sound like proper behaviour.

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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    Well of course the modem is connected , so you are saying i need a router no matter what to ensure internet access for more than 1 or are you saying i need at least a modem + a switch to have multiple pc.

    Im using virgin media broadband so its not an adsl router

    edit: sorry didnt see your post funkstar, i think you explained it better . But to clarify, id still need a router even when using the virgin media modem as apposed to switching the router for a switch?.


    Well it works perfectly fine for normal internet access but its blocks ports and connections unnecessarily so playing some online games can be a pain, generally it happens with rts games no idea why.
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    Re: new switch and wireless?

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    I think I'm right in saying that there are usually 3 elements:

    Wireless Access Point
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    Modem

    And in a wireless router, all three are combined. In a normal router, you've got a managed switch and a modem.
    Four elements to be exact:
    Wireless Access Point
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    Router
    Modem



    A managed switch is not the same as a router. A managed switch just lets you do other funky things to the switch ports, usually has a web interface as well (like how a router has a web interface, just different)

    The router routes traffic between your network and the network you are connecting to (ie. the internet), provides Network Address Translation (NAT) and DHCP services.

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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks12 View Post
    edit: sorry didnt see your post funkstar, i think you explained it better . But to clarify, id still need a router even when using the virgin media modem as apposed to switching the router for a switch?.
    Correct.

    Detail: The modem is single user, it takes the IP address provided by VM and gives it to the device it connects to. So directly connected to a PC, that single PC has the external address. Connected to a switch, and them multiple devices, the IP could be given to them all so nothing will work, or none of them, so nothing will work. The router does all the IP management for your network regardless of other functions it may provide.

    It's only consumer and small buisness routers that have wireless and switched built in. Engerprise class routers can have jsut two ethernet connections. One for the network you are connecting to (the ISP for example) and one for the private network.

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    Re: new switch and wireless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Funkstar View Post
    You need a router, no matter what
    Why?

    Surely if you've got a managed switch with a DHCP server built in, plus a modem, then you don't need a router?

    Or is that effectively becoming a router?

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