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    FAO Cisco people: Modules for ccna lab

    I building up a ccna lab so far i have the following

    Cisco 3640 w/64 Mb ram ios 12.4
    " " ios 12.2
    Cisco 2950 w/ios 12.2

    im planing on picking up another 2950 and a pair of nm4/as for each router but i need a network module for ethernet connectivity but im unsure as to how many ports i'll need. so any help please
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    Re: FAO Cisco people: Modules for ccna lab

    why not use GNS3 ?
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    i would rather interact with physical equipment. plus its not like the equipment is expensive so far i have spent a massive £90
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    Re: FAO Cisco people: Modules for ccna lab

    for routers you are going to need WIC-1T cards and back to back DCE / DTC cables

    For CCNA I would advise 2 x 2950 and maybe 3 or 4 x 2600 series XM routers (XM for the IPv6)

    Get started with packet tracer as well and then if you can get the IOS images GNS3

    I had the equipment and it has been handy but packet tracer and GNS3 is also good becuase you can Lab on the train or on your lunch break etc, its also good experence for when you start putting network together as you can do full simulations first to show the managers who know nothing how the network comes together etc.

    But I would also say before you even start with any of that..... learn how to subnet, its most of ICND1 to be honest and its also a large part of ICND2 as well.
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    Re: FAO Cisco people: Modules for ccna lab

    Balls.

    Just binned 2x cisco 1750s.

    Got some wic-1ene(s) and some other **** cards left.

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    Re: FAO Cisco people: Modules for ccna lab

    I can never justify 20Us of kit, noise and all the power consumption hence why I went with Boson

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    Re: FAO Cisco people: Modules for ccna lab

    my Lab is a bit nuts to be honest

    2 x 1841
    2 x 2651XM
    2 x 3650-48-PoE L3 switches with 1Gb fiber uplinks
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    Re: FAO Cisco people: Modules for ccna lab

    I used GNS3 for my CCNA. It's pretty good but took me a while to understand it and get it up and running reliably. Having actual kit will be no better for training purposes IME. It just saves the ballache of getting GNS3 working.

    Also, don't consider being a pussy and going for the ICND1 then 2. Real men go straight for the CCNA.

    If I were hiring again and the interviewee was a CCENT, I would ask them why they didn't go straight for the CCNA. They'd have to have a pretty good answer for it to not count against them.

    It's one of the best exams for actually testing real skills in the whole IT industry. After you answer each question, you know you have it right or wrong. None of this MS rubbish where you have to read the answers 18 times to see that a full stop is in a different place in 2 answers thus making one the right answer and the other the wrong answer.
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    Re: FAO Cisco people: Modules for ccna lab

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    I used GNS3 for my CCNA. It's pretty good but took me a while to understand it and get it up and running reliably. Having actual kit will be no better for training purposes IME. It just saves the ballache of getting GNS3 working.

    Also, don't consider being a pussy and going for the ICND1 then 2. Real men go straight for the CCNA.

    If I were hiring again and the interviewee was a CCENT, I would ask them why they didn't go straight for the CCNA. They'd have to have a pretty good answer for it to not count against them.

    It's one of the best exams for actually testing real skills in the whole IT industry. After you answer each question, you know you have it right or wrong. None of this MS rubbish where you have to read the answers 18 times to see that a full stop is in a different place in 2 answers thus making one the right answer and the other the wrong answer.
    how could having ICND1 over not having it stand against anyone? the point of ICND1 and ICND2 is because the the CCNA has become more complex and difficult over the past 3 or 4 years. In fact by doing ICND1 and ICND2 the person will have had to answer more test questions than a person who went right to the CCNA. Cisco even say that the CCNA exam is for people who, after 3 years, just want to renew their cert.

    My advice would be to do the ICND1 and ICND2 unless you use Cisco every day at your work place.
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    My advice would be to do the ICND1 and ICND2 unless you use Cisco every day at your work place.
    I think if Martin was hiring for a CCNA position , he'd want someone that uses the tech every day
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    I think if Martin was hiring for a CCNA position , he'd want someone that uses the tech every day
    yes but he is saying that the guy should go for the CCNA right out and doing it the other way would stand against him going for a job. I am saying that if you are starting out to do your cert I would advise to do ICND1 and ICND2 to get the CCNA.

    This thread is not about getting a job its about getting a CCNA, saying that a CCNA via ICND1 / 2 Vs CCNA via CCNA 640-802 is in any way different is a strange my eyes.

    I was just saying if he uses Cisco kit every day anyway than maybe going right for the CCNA may be ok for him but if he doesn't use cisco kit every day the ICND route may be better.
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    fair point - although not many people do certs for fun - employment is the end goal for most

    that said I can see plenty of valid reasons for taking your CCNA in stages rather than all at once - especially if you a) have a life b) have another job / family commitment that takes up the considerable amount of study time that these sorts of things do take. I'm lucky enough to be able to study while I work - If I'm not engaging with a customer , I'll be working on my lab. One day I'll get round to taking some networking certs ( beyond my Cisco Sales Expert for DCNS )
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    how could having ICND1 over not having it stand against anyone? the point of ICND1 and ICND2 is because the the CCNA has become more complex and difficult over the past 3 or 4 years. In fact by doing ICND1 and ICND2 the person will have had to answer more test questions than a person who went right to the CCNA. Cisco even say that the CCNA exam is for people who, after 3 years, just want to renew their cert.

    My advice would be to do the ICND1 and ICND2 unless you use Cisco every day at your work place.
    A CCNA can be passed in 60 days by someone with no prior networking knowledge if they spend 1-2 hours per day on it. In fact, there is a pass your CCNA in 60 days course on the internet available for free.
    Anyone that breaks down a qualification like that into 2 far easier steps either has no confidence in their own ability, does not have the ability to keep enough knowledge to pass a CCNA in one go or as mentioned below, has a time sucking family.

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    I think if Martin was hiring for a CCNA position , he'd want someone that uses the tech every day
    100% true. I'd take that over ICND1 any day of the week.
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    yes but he is saying that the guy should go for the CCNA right out and doing it the other way would stand against him going for a job. I am saying that if you are starting out to do your cert I would advise to do ICND1 and ICND2 to get the CCNA.

    This thread is not about getting a job its about getting a CCNA, saying that a CCNA via ICND1 / 2 Vs CCNA via CCNA 640-802 is in any way different is a strange my eyes.
    2 Easy chunks that anyone on this planet can pass vs them both together making it harder but not hugely difficult. Of course it's different.

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    fair point - although not many people do certs for fun - employment is the end goal for most

    that said I can see plenty of valid reasons for taking your CCNA in stages rather than all at once - especially if you a) have a life b) have another job / family commitment that takes up the considerable amount of study time that these sorts of things do take.
    I'd consider a time and energy sucking family to actually be a valid reason. However I'd want some kind of assurances that in the hopefully very rare event of unforseen circumstances meaning they are needed for antisocial hours or need to stay behind for a few hours, they would be able to do that. I would make a point that if that was anything other than a rare occurrence, then the department has failed. You'd want human beings to be your coworkers, not super robots. Plus you'd like them to be interesting enough people or it would be really boring going to work.
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    wow, thats all I can say. When is a CCNA not a CCNA? When Badass is hiring!

    Its known that ICND2 is actually harder than the CCNA Composite Exam, it sounds like snobbery to me. To say that one CCNA is better than another has amazed me. Don't get me wrong, you are fully entitled to your opinion its just different to mine

    Anyway, we are well off topic so I will not carry on banging on!
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    Re: FAO Cisco people: Modules for ccna lab

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    wow, thats all I can say. When is a CCNA not a CCNA? When Badass is hiring!

    Its known that ICND2 is actually harder than the CCNA Composite Exam, it sounds like snobbery to me. To say that one CCNA is better than another has amazed me. Don't get me wrong, you are fully entitled to your opinion its just different to mine

    Anyway, we are well off topic so I will not carry on banging on!
    Just because a company gives out the same letters to two people does not make them equal. Otherwise a paper MCSE would be worth as much as a proper MCSE!
    It's like degrees. Two people who passed with a 2:1 MSc in Biology do not necessarily have a qualification of the same value. One may be from Trinity College, Cambridge whilst the other may be from some no name converted polytechnic.

    One more thing - I may have said that a CCENT would have to have a good explanation for it to not count against them If I were hiring for a networking position, however someone that had the 2 Part CCNA would certainly be considered more highly than a CCENT or someone with nothing at all (provided they had appropriate experience and useful skills)
    Someone that passed the 640-802 would still be considered more highly, all other things being equal.
    Would you really prefer someone that chose the slower, easier path in personal development than the harder but quicker path if they couldn't explain why?
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