Reactivating Vista after Mobo Change

[Nox]

Just think, at some point I bet Microsoft will just turn round and charge you £10 a month...

Nox

[Sinizter]

So the expense would be your taxes. K?

In that case its perfectly absolutely fine. Will be paying a shedload of taxes and it will be going up every year. It usually doesnt do any good either.

I bought an OS to use on a single computer - that is all I intend to do. I dont intend to migrate the OS to a whole new computer.

So I dont understand why people want to get their panties in a twist over that. And if MS choose to let me do so, why are you questioning it ? If MS chooses not to let my copy of Vista activate, then fair enough - I'll go buy another one. But until then, I bought a copy for one PC and I will use it on that PC whatever it takes.

If MS want to charge a monthly fee, then let them implement it and I will see if I am willing to pay that.

[this_is_gav]

I bought an OS to use on a single computer - that is all I intend to do. I dont intend to migrate the OS to a whole new computer.

So I dont understand why people want to get their panties in a twist over that. And if MS choose to let me do so, why are you questioning it ? If MS chooses not to let my copy of Vista activate, then fair enough - I'll go buy another one. But until then, I bought a copy for one PC and I will use it on that PC whatever it takes.

As I've already said, why should the genuine users miss out (if not on the use of the OS then on the money) to those cheating the system, whether MS turn a blind eye or not? I've paid £195 for a license, and you've paid £70 (just using HP as an example). Why wouldn't I be annoyed if you were trying to get to the same as what I got?

As for the "1 PC" thing... is that in the same way as Trigger's broom on Only Fools and Horses?

In that case its perfectly absolutely fine. Will be paying a shedload of taxes and it will be going up every year. It usually doesnt do any good either.

Hehe, very true. Looking from the inside out at least the education sector is just very, very inefficient.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. I've got a netball match tomorrow.

[Clunk]

But shouldnt you be more miffed at microsoft for turning a blind eye and effectively allowing to people to be reactivating OEM vistas, when you have paid them £195 for your copy and the other person has paid £70?

Just being devils advocate here, I dont really care either way as I havent bought vista because of the unfair pricing in the UK.

[Sinizter]

Not sure what the broom reference is to...

But you should be annoyed at MS for letting me do that ...

Good luck with the match.

As I've already said, why should the genuine users miss out (if not on the use of the OS then on the money) to those cheating the system, whether MS turn a blind eye or not? I've paid £195 for a license, and you've paid £70 (just using HP as an example). Why wouldn't I be annoyed if you were trying to get to the same as what I got?

As for the "1 PC" thing... is that in the same way as Trigger's broom on Only Fools and Horses?


Hehe, very true. Looking from the inside out at least the education sector is just very, very inefficient.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. I've got a netball match tomorrow.

[directhex]

Just think, at some point I bet Microsoft will just turn round and charge you £10 a month...

Nox

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070222-8907.html

[Steve B]

The service allows users to pay a monthly fee of around $0 for the use of OpenOffice.

There, that sounds much better now
Oh but wait, wheres all the revenue gone ???

[ajbrun]

My interpretation of the license is you use it on the computer you put it on. Which I will. You dont get support calls to MS with an OEM license - and I wont be making those calls.

If MS obliges in activating it, then what the hell is your problem ? Some so called phantom increase in the difficulty of your job ? Exactly how ?

That's a bit of a selfish attitude to be taking isn't it?

It's a bit like, "I'm going to 'borrow' a TV from a shop, and as long as I bring it back in good condition, it's not stealing".

We all know that's wrong, but would it still be wrong if you were caught 'borrowing' the TV, and the shop owner just turned a blind eye? Imo, yes that would be wrong.

You can't just interpret things however you feel. It clearly states that an OEM license stays with the motherboard it's activated with.



WARNING! It's against the law to speed.

(but if you're in a hurry, it's OK)

Why do you need to change a motherboard so many times anyway?

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...ecial_uid=1273

Vista Home premium retail = £186.35
Vista Home premium OEM = £70.48

According to those prices, you can change your motherboard almost 3 times and buy the OEM edition each time before you reach the same price of buying retail once. Knowing that prices will probably drop a little, and XP was out for 5-6 years before vista was released, that means that with 3 motherboard changes, you'll only have each one for 2 years before you're going to want the next best OS.

Do you really change your hardware that often anyway? If you do, then you're "it's too expensive" argument just went out the window, and if you don't, then you may as well just buy an OEM on the odd occasion you do upgrade.

[acrobat]

@acrobat: It's not unknown for a BIOS update, or even a settings change to trigger the reactivation, so if you can do a full motherboard change without it triggering, you've got some luck on your side!

Wow. Thats quite strict but it makes sense I suppose. I must have got lucky with XP because I reinstalled a new motherboard (and all kinds of stuff) and never had that happen. Vista must be a bit better at detecting though.

I think you are stuck then really. Like someone said, its only fair that the Retail version lets you do a few activations but OEM is a one time thing. Thats the point of the retail version and im sure if it didnt work like that, the people who paid more for retail wouldn't be happy.


P.S.
I hate to hyjack this thread but its better than starting my own I guess.... Can I buy Vista and install it on a new hard drive in my PC, and keep XP on this hard drive? That way I can try it out for a while and if it goes well... I can just format my XP drive?

[directhex]

P.S.
I hate to hyjack this thread but its better than starting my own I guess.... Can I buy Vista and install it on a new hard drive in my PC, and keep XP on this hard drive? That way I can try it out for a while and if it goes well... I can just format my XP drive?

yes

but beware of bootloaders

[Sinizter]

That's a bit of a selfish attitude to be taking isn't it?

It's a bit like, "I'm going to 'borrow' a TV from a shop, and as long as I bring it back in good condition, it's not stealing".

We all know that's wrong, but would it still be wrong if you were caught 'borrowing' the TV, and the shop owner just turned a blind eye? Imo, yes that would be wrong.

You can't just interpret things however you feel. It clearly states that an OEM license stays with the motherboard it's activated with.



WARNING! It's against the law to speed.

(but if you're in a hurry, it's OK)

Why do you need to change a motherboard so many times anyway?

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...ecial_uid=1273

Vista Home premium retail = £186.35
Vista Home premium OEM = £70.48

According to those prices, you can change your motherboard almost 3 times and buy the OEM edition each time before you reach the same price of buying retail once. Knowing that prices will probably drop a little, and XP was out for 5-6 years before vista was released, that means that with 3 motherboard changes, you'll only have each one for 2 years before you're going to want the next best OS.

Do you really change your hardware that often anyway? If you do, then you're "it's too expensive" argument just went out the window, and if you don't, then you may as well just buy an OEM on the odd occasion you do upgrade.

Just in case you were wondering, yes I WILL SPEED IF I THINK I WONT GET CAUGHT. And I bet you do too. If you dont then thats good for you.

If I paid for a TV I damn well want a TV. If the shop does not give me the TV I paid for, or decides to not return it after warranty repair, then they will have a very pleasant meeting in court. Your example of borrowing a TV is fatally flawed and bears no relation to Vista licensing.

With quality motherboard prices over the £100 mark I dont want another £70 added on to it. I dont change it very often - my last setup is still here after 2.5 years, but that does not mean I dont want the option.

End result - I will keep activating my Vista if MS allows me to - You *might* go buy another copy with each motherboard, although I would say it is very very probable that you will try to activate yours again.

[Nox]

infact not even a BIOS update blew my trial of XP x64, had a 5 sec power cut, my machine rebooted itself (obviously) bios hung. Did a bios reset, fine booted, but as I didn't think to change the date back the system thought i had been messing and prematurely expired my copy. Oh well. Thought it was pretty good till then.

Nox

[DecomposingStar]

That's a bit of a selfish attitude to be taking isn't it?

It's a bit like, "I'm going to 'borrow' a TV from a shop, and as long as I bring it back in good condition, it's not stealing".

We all know that's wrong, but would it still be wrong if you were caught 'borrowing' the TV, and the shop owner just turned a blind eye? Imo, yes that would be wrong.

You can't just interpret things however you feel. It clearly states that an OEM license stays with the motherboard it's activated with.



WARNING! It's against the law to speed.

(but if you're in a hurry, it's OK)

Why do you need to change a motherboard so many times anyway?

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...ecial_uid=1273

Vista Home premium retail = £186.35
Vista Home premium OEM = £70.48

According to those prices, you can change your motherboard almost 3 times and buy the OEM edition each time before you reach the same price of buying retail once. Knowing that prices will probably drop a little, and XP was out for 5-6 years before vista was released, that means that with 3 motherboard changes, you'll only have each one for 2 years before you're going to want the next best OS.

Do you really change your hardware that often anyway? If you do, then you're "it's too expensive" argument just went out the window, and if you don't, then you may as well just buy an OEM on the odd occasion you do upgrade.

I bought my system soon before i bought vista, and i didn't realise how crap my motherboad was, so in these terms, i dont change it often.


I've got all the information i need now.

[dangel]

Moralising posturing aside (and it really is sickening) it's up to MS whether he's reactivated or not - not you, not me - MS. End of story.

[this_is_gav]

But shouldnt you be more miffed at microsoft for turning a blind eye and effectively allowing to people to be reactivating OEM vistas, when you have paid them £195 for your copy and the other person has paid £70?

When it happens, yep. Still, there's no MS employee here to moan at (that I'm aware of), so I'd just be shouting and arguing with my own echoes.

[directhex]

When it happens, yep. Still, there's no MS employee here to moan at (that I'm aware of), so I'd just be shouting and arguing with my own echoes.

Paul Adams is an MS employee