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    New PC idea, few clarifications please

    Hi all,

    Long time Hexus user / PC enthusiast, but I'm a little out of the loop on the latest hardware, mainly graphics cards and motherboards... Maybe I should read the news/reviews sites more

    Anyway, here's my plan:



    Can anyone spot any glaring omissions?

    I don't want a super overclocking-1337-500 fans-liquid-cooled beast, or any silly over the top cases (it'll be sitting on the floor under my desk) just something powerful and enough to play modern games and store all my clobber (hence the seperate os/system HDD).

    So is the above config decent?

    I have a decent 480W Thermaltake PSU that I will use, I'll use the 400w one from the above new case to power my current PC while I keep it running for a short while. I presume the 20 pin-ness of the Thermaltake won't be a problem? I think it has one SATA power connector so I'll buy a couple of adaptors.

    I'm also right in thinking that new motherboards don't have the Soundstorm-esque Dolby Digital realtime encoding, and I'll have to buy a seperate card for this? That's ok.


    Now then, the graphics card... Is this going to be a sufficient leap ahead of my 9800pro to cope with new games? I don't want a bloody great 768MB 8800GT, but do tell me if the 7900GS won't cope



    Cheers for any advice.
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    The CPU is great, the retail heatsink is pretty good these days, you could even get a half decent overclock with it if you wanted.

    PSU ok as far as power is concerned, but the motherboard needs a 24pin ATX connector.

    As always, onboard sound isn't wonderful, it uses a Realtek ALC883 chip, it's feature list is here:
    http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/p...nn=4&ProdID=44

    The 7900GS will easily handle any current games, it's a serious upgrade from your 9800 Pro.

    The only thing I might mention is the RAM, 2GB really helps with gaming and even desktop performance these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post

    The only thing I might mention is the RAM, 2GB really helps with gaming and even desktop performance these days.
    Yep that's why I've added two to the basket


    OK that's all good news... Graphics especially

    I like retail Intel heatsinks, they're almost silent unless you put serious load on them, as I won't be doing any overclocking
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    Yeah, I just realised the 20pin ATX on your PSU will be a problem. Other than that, everything's great. Fortunately high quality PSUs can be had for reasonable prices these days, something like this will fit the bill perfectly:
    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=138558
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    I have a decent 480W Thermaltake PSU that I will use
    Dont use it! They are very very poor!


    These days, 2bg of RAM is really a minumum.

    All depends on what you want to do with it really.

    Can anyone spot any glaring omissions?
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    I'm sorry but I refuse to belive a 480watt PSU won't be adequate, I've also done a bit of googling and found that generally the 20 pin won't be a problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    I'm sorry but I refuse to belive a 480watt PSU won't be adequate, I've also done a bit of googling and found that generally the 20 pin won't be a problem?
    Im sorry but you asked for opinions.
    1. Nothing to do with wattage.
    2. Look for a minimum of 32A across the 12V rail

    TT have raised their game over the last 6-8 months but any PSU prior to that is of very poor build quality.

    The TT's (particulary the one you have) are prone to extreme failure and they are widely known to take integral parts of the system they run with them when they do.

    If you want to risk your new mobo/GPU/CPU then thats your choice but i am trying to let you know the facts.


    Hope that helps.
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    OK fair enough, make and model aside, 400-480 watts must be enough surely?


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    480W is perfectly fine for that spec.
    My old machine draws far more power and runs off a 420W PSU.

    I can't get the board manual from Asus's mirrors (again), so I can't give any guarantee that you wont suffer stability problems. Worst case though, you do and you have to get a new PSU and wait a few days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzen View Post
    2. Look for a minimum of 32A across the 12V rail
    32A is serious overkill, 16A is more than enough with just 1 7900GS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    OK fair enough, make and model aside, 400-480 watts must be enough surely?


    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...roductID=82572 Hexus liked it
    Its a good PSu. Ran my AMD Dual Core system for many a month. Three year warranty, and Tagan is pretty well respected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    32A is serious overkill, 16A is more than enough with just 1 7900GS.
    Why spend £35-40 on a PSU that'll 'do for now' when you can spend £10 more and get something that'll last a while.

    IMHO....16A is a seriously low and underpowered PSU that leave zero headroom.

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    On scan there is the WD1600YS which is a similar price to the one you have but has 16mb cache rather than 8mb. I'd spend the extra £5 or so for that .

    Also, why e6400? As far as I can see, the c2d cpus to consider are:

    e4300 - cheapest
    e6300 - cheapest allendale core that will super overclock
    e6600 - has more cache and can be again, overclocked.

    unless you've got more money than sense and can afford the really expensive ones (quad core etc.) then imo I can't see the justification for picking ones other than those.

    800mhz ram won't hurt either - especially with a c2d system you want the space to overclock really!

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=255300

    2gb for £124, so it's another 40 quid but imo well worth it... if you're spending £600 on a rig it's worth spending more on the basic building blocks now and the two most important factors for games performance is gpu and ram these days (most processors are more than adequate, except supreme commander because that's a bit evil to run - but a c2d will do it nicely)
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    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Yeah, I just realised the 20pin ATX on your PSU will be a problem. Other than that, everything's great. Fortunately high quality PSUs can be had for reasonable prices these days, something like this will fit the bill perfectly:
    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=138558
    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=256335

    Cheaper, and better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreaming View Post
    On scan there is the WD1600YS which is a similar price to the one you have but has 16mb cache rather than 8mb. I'd spend the extra £5 or so for that .
    OK I'll take that into consideration I think

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreaming View Post
    Also, why e6400?
    Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreaming View Post
    As far as I can see, the c2d cpus to consider are:

    e4300 - cheapest
    e6300 - cheapest allendale core that will super overclock
    e6600 - has more cache and can be again, overclocked.
    That's nice. As I said, I won't be doing any overclocking. I thought I'd go not for the absolute cheapest but one that should provide me with enough headroom.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dreaming View Post
    800mhz ram won't hurt either - especially with a c2d system you want the space to overclock really!


    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=255300

    2gb for £124, so it's another 40 quid but imo well worth it... if you're spending £600 on a rig it's worth spending more on the basic building blocks now

    See above. I won't be doing any overclocking. Will I notice a difference in day-to-day activities and not benchmarking/video encoding?




    Quote Originally Posted by dave87 View Post
    Looks good.
    I would still like some extra clarification though, as to whether my Thermaltake will be unsuitable and why. It wasn't cheap when I bought it a couple of years ago, and I remember it being quite well regarded. The only possible problem is the lack of 24 pin.
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