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Over at Xtreme systems people recommended I get an A64 rig, I'm curious as to what you guys think here.
Possible A64 rig,
AMD 3000+ (stock cooling)
GB K8NPRO
Kingston HyperX PC3500 Bh5? (2-2-2-6-1)
2x36.4GB Raptors
9800PRO DDR2 256mb
possible P4C rig
ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe // Abit AI7
P4C 2.6
Kingston HyperX PC3500 Bh5? / Mushkin PC3500 Lvl2 Black
2x36.4GB Raptors
9800PRO DDr2 256mb
Get the A64 it will eat the p4 rig alive ;)
Plus on those timings that kingston is BH-5
simply a64
it rules, itll be a lot faster, xp3000 ones clock ok ish as well apparently, dont even think of gettin a p4 :p
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I'd go with the P4 tbh... ;)
Until the nforce 3 chipset comes out and until microsoft release 64bit operating systems the a64 is pretty useless.
Another vote for the p4 here
whys it useless? in pretty much everything an athlon 64 (xp3000) can whoop the ass off a 3.2 ghz pentium 3, it would annihilate a 2.4 with ease
A P4 3ghz beats the AMD 64 3200 in almost everybenchmark so its going to eat a AMD 64 3000 alive.
THe price of the AMD 64 is also against it. You could get a p4 rig and overclock it and still have a lot of money left over compared to if you just went for an AMD 64
Srz but thats slightly wrong ... the 3000A64 is BETTER than the 3200A64 as they've improved there running, only diff pritty much is less cache!Quote:
Originally posted by Oxide
A P4 3ghz beats the AMD 64 3200 in almost everybenchmark so its going to eat a AMD 64 3000 alive.
THe price of the AMD 64 is also against it. You could get a p4 rig and overclock it and still have a lot of money left over compared to if you just went for an AMD 64
3000A64 is £170, Equiv 3.0C (which in game performance is still less) is £220
one more vote for the A64!! it will stomp a p4 2.6, stock or overclocked... its not useless either by anymeans... read up before you make "useless" comments
Get the FX chip to be safe :)
... performance might be safe, but your bank balance won't look so good.Quote:
Originally posted by Flanderz
Get the FX chip to be safe :)
At this stage I'd go with a nice barton and save your money for next gen A64 (FX non-ECC)
Arent AMD gonna change all the sockets, so you wont be able to upgrade at all.
I would wait for another few months yet, untill HL2, D3, 64 bit windows, and the new chipsets.
Also price may have down by then
Wilk
You need to do a bit more reading before you say stuff like that NF3 is out and has been out for quite some time. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Oxide
Until the nforce 3 chipset comes out and until microsoft release 64bit operating systems the a64 is pretty useless.
Another vote for the p4 here
You like slow PC's then?Quote:
Originally posted by Ethos
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I'd go with the P4 tbh... ;)
Look at the speed & cooling required from a P4C to match A64 powa;)
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Athlon 64 all the way tbh ;).
Athlon 64 ! , It is way much faster than a PIV "C" and ist faster in 32-bit until Windows 64 arrivers , then it is going to own
A 64 rig looks good in a sig.
But p4 have a stronger foothold on the mobo market atm, so if you want something thats going to give to a wide range of mobo's to pick from, the P4 gets my vote, at the mo.
Tho 65 % of me just can't resist the 64 :)
However...
Lol given the rate of cpu developments per every few months, by the time 64 tech becomes of any use, there will probably be sommet bigger and better out, it's just the way :)
Dave.
Another A64 vote for me.
After seeing how totally stupid a 64-3200 Shuttle makes a Vapochill P4 4Ghz look in Seti@home - i know wh0'z g0t th4 p0waaaaaa and it aint intel !!! :D
Butuz
/me puts yet another tick in the A64 box.
The numbers (both performance and financial) speak for themselves :)
I'd have absolutely no problem in giving the A64 box a good ticking if it weren't for the small amount in choice of motherboard for socket 754 at the moment - there's by no means the maturity and all round goodness that either socket A or socket 478 motherboards have at the moment...
...but as it is, there are boards good enough to let A64 beat a similarly priced P4, so the box gets ticked alongside A64 for me as well..
The modo range for the 64 will grow, then it will be the chip of choice :) for about umm.. 2 weeks ? Then intel will try to top it and visa versa... go with what your gut tells you MuTTy_Hc :)
Dave.
Intel have only just officially confirmed the existance of a chip (Codename-Yamhill) compatible with the Windows64 operating system that MS are coding for the A64, think its going to be more than 2 weeks before they get that to the shelves ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Dave_07
The modo range for the 64 will grow, then it will be the chip of choice :) for about umm.. 2 weeks ? Then intel will try to top it and visa versa... go with what your gut tells you MuTTy_Hc :)
Dave.
Even AMD have delayed the 939 pin (Codename - San Diego) compatible "FX" chip that doesnt require the registered memory until 9 months from now according to their latest roadmap. 754 is looking a secure choice looking at current performance, performance when all its instruction sets are utilised and as far as potential CPUs to surpass it
Buy one now and I think you got quite some time looking down at most other CPUs.
The a64 3000+ offers excellent performaance at an excellent price. hardocp.com reviewed the a64 3000+. It seems that it is a normal a64 3200+ with 512 KBs of L2 cache. Some believe that the a64 3000+'s are 64 3200+'s that didn't cut the mustard or weren't good enough. It doesn't mater because they are great cpu's. The athlon 64 is da shiznit. da bomb. fo shizzle. Who cares if it runs at a meagre 2 GHz when it runs rings around 3.2 GHz p4's. proving smart architecture means alot more than raw frequency.
KK, you have confirmed what I said lol. As you say both intel & amd have new 64bit based chips in the works.Quote:
Originally posted by knock_knock
Intel have only just officially confirmed the existance of a chip (Codename-Yamhill) compatible with the Windows64 operating system that MS are coding for the A64, think its going to be more than 2 weeks before they get that to the shelves ;)
Even AMD have delayed the 939 pin (Codename - San Diego) compatible "FX" chip that doesnt require the registered memory until 9 months from now according to their latest roadmap. 754 is looking a secure choice looking at current performance, performance when all its instruction sets are utilised and as far as potential CPUs to surpass it
Buy one now and I think you got quite some time looking down at most other CPUs.
I was mearly saying the 64bit age is here, but the way you chose to be a part of it (ie a intel 64bit based chip or amd 64bit based chip) is going to keep changing, it's impossible to try and predict the market and try and buy sommet that you think will be future proof... As I said you just have to go with your gut, well it's more a mixture of things actualy, about 40% gut feeling, 30% advice from these here fine forums & 30% power verses price :)
Thats my nonsensical forumula anyway hehe.
Ps. :) The 2 weeks, refers to how short a time any cpu stays at the top, eg 9 months isn't really that long, considering the 754 at the moment costs on average about £290/£300, maybe some peeps think that is cheap, I personaly don't really.
Dave.
There's only one solution to this dilemma. Buy both CPU's and both motherboards. All the other kit is the same. Compare benchmarks then sell the CPU/mobo you're least happy with on Ebay. If you shop around and get them at rock bottom prices you won't lose any money when sold on Ebay - people will pay daft prices if you promote them properly!
You will then never be left wondering if you made the right choice.
I hav an FX-51 at work which is 'kin fast, but for some reason wont let me play C&C Zero hour :(
However, I will definately be getting a FX-57 when they become available, and by that time A64 mobo's should've matured.
AMD all the way.
isnt the fx53 next :p
I was trying to point out of the 2 choices mentioned that are currently avalible and going to be around the same price, a64 3200/p4 3.0c the P4 has had its moment and its socket upgrade path is limited, AMD on the other hand are just starting with a new design full of potential and only the very top CPU is around £300. The rest are in the <£200 region which is chump change compared to a P4 of the same performance :cool:Quote:
Originally posted by Dave_07
KK, you have confirmed what I said lol. As you say both intel & amd have new 64bit based chips in the works.
I was mearly saying the 64bit age is here, but the way you chose to be a part of it (ie a intel 64bit based chip or amd 64bit based chip) is going to keep changing, it's impossible to try and predict the market and try and buy sommet that you think will be future proof... As I said you just have to go with your gut, well it's more a mixture of things actualy, about 40% gut feeling, 30% advice from these here fine forums & 30% power verses price :)
Thats my nonsensical forumula anyway hehe.
Ps. :) The 2 weeks, refers to how short a time any cpu stays at the top, eg 9 months isn't really that long, considering the 754 at the moment costs on average about £290/£300, maybe some peeps think that is cheap, I personaly don't really.
Dave.
Lol KK, im not totally dissagreeing :)
Either option is ok, the p4 3.0c has a slightly wider mobo range, but the a64 3200 has the raw power. (at the moment)
I also understand the a64 is alot more future proof than the p4 3.0c at the moment, if anything can be future proof that is.
Man! KK, If I had the cash I would go with the a64 3200, maybe even a fx-51, but I don't :)
Dave.
That's what the man asked to chose between but he hasn't been back and all this has done is become about whats better AMD or Intel :rolleyes: He "apparently" has the money for either and imho of those 2 you need to be pretty biased/paid alot/uninformed to think the P4 is better stock or overclocked.Quote:
Originally posted by MuTTy_Hc
Over at Xtreme systems people recommended I get an A64 rig, I'm curious as to what you guys think here.
Possible A64 rig,
AMD 3000+ (stock cooling)
GB K8NPRO
Kingston HyperX PC3500 Bh5? (2-2-2-6-1)
2x36.4GB Raptors
9800PRO DDR2 256mb
possible P4C rig
ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe // Abit AI7
P4C 2.6
Kingston HyperX PC3500 Bh5? / Mushkin PC3500 Lvl2 Black
2x36.4GB Raptors
9800PRO DDr2 256mb
0.02p
I don't understand why you getting upset Knock knock.
If you want me to just say yes sir I agree with everything you say sir, then ok. You seem very intent on making a point, and you've made it now. All is well :)
Dave.
That not upset, forgive me for trying to go back on topic ;)
No probs :)