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    They aren't particularly noticeable until you use another PC. I've even moved some of my old 36GB Raptors into my machine at work.

    To be fair, they aren't even close to good value considering the limited performance boost, but it all depends on how often and what you use your PC for. Mine does a bit of everything, and for working with large uncompressed files (think video and audio) RAID0 Raptors make one hell of a difference. I find it hard to recommend either (RAID0 or the Raptors) for normal use, but they do make a difference.

    As for noise, I only ever notice it when I'm underneath my PC (in the kitchen) at night time. As stated, the idle noise isn't loud in a PC (and mine is full of silent fans), though it is surprisingly loud in an external enclosure - the seeking noise can be loud though. Still, doesn't annoy me at all.

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    I've got a 74GB Raptor as an OS and games drive - while £100 is unquestionably extravagant I'm still glad I bought it.

    As Clunk said, everything feels much quicker, especially unzipping files / antivirus scans / game loading.

    Hell, I'd say it's worth it just so I can be the first in a Battlefield 2 server almost every time and claim the jet.

    The noise they make is irritating though so I'd definitely recommend a HDD enclosure.
    Last edited by NightshadowUK; 25-04-2007 at 11:49 AM.

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    I've got two raptors in RAID-0 in my rig and have to say they are no noisier than any other drive, probably because the Antec Sonata mounts them on little rubber grommets to isolate them. The only time I notice the performance difference, is when I benchmark them Rest of the time they don't seem any faster than any other RAID-0 rig I have used (Samsung Spinpoints and Maxtor Diamondmax 9's).

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    http://www.anandtech.com/storage/sho...spx?i=2974&p=5

    Doesn't show that either Raid 0 or the Raptor makes much difference in BF2 loading...

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    Then I would question their benches. This is the game I play most and the difference the Raptor has made is very noticeable. Previously I had started levels at the same time as most other players, but now I have time to start the game and capture a flag before most other people are on. We also play it 3 player with 3 computers in our house with very similar CPUs, RAM and GFX, and I start way before my comrades. Maybe anand only measured the level load time, and didn't bother with the time it also takes to join the game or some such.

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    OK, real time experience, no benchmarks....

    Raptor drives in RAID 0 are the shiznit.

    I've used 2 x old school 35Gb Raptor drives in RAID 0 (noisy) and they flew.

    Currently using 2 x 74Gb Raptor drives in RAID 0 and they are fast.

    Faster than a single SATA 2 drive and faster than a single Raptor drive.

    I'm commenting from 'real life' experiebce here.

    Ya cannae whack 'em

    Those who criticise are usually baulking at the cost, btw, believe me, they're fast, unless you've got an unbelievably crap motherboard or system

    They are a little noisier than their peers, not a lot, but imo worth it.

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    just get scsi If you want performance

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSte View Post
    Then I would question their benches. This is the game I play most and the difference the Raptor has made is very noticeable. Previously I had started levels at the same time as most other players, but now I have time to start the game and capture a flag before most other people are on. We also play it 3 player with 3 computers in our house with very similar CPUs, RAM and GFX, and I start way before my comrades. Maybe anand only measured the level load time, and didn't bother with the time it also takes to join the game or some such.
    Frankly speaking, I would expect the time to join the game to be more dependant on how fast you connect to the server - which I doubt the disk subsystem play a major role. And I'd say that AT's tests provide a more controlled environment than one consisting of similar CPU/RAM/GFX.
    That's not to say that I doubt the Raptor's capabilities. Though it may well be that the 7K1000 -is- comparatively closer to the Raptor compared to other 7200RPM drives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooNice View Post
    Frankly speaking, I would expect the time to join the game to be more dependant on how fast you connect to the server - which I doubt the disk subsystem play a major role. And I'd say that AT's tests provide a more controlled environment than one consisting of similar CPU/RAM/GFX.
    That's not to say that I doubt the Raptor's capabilities. Though it may well be that the 7K1000 -is- comparatively closer to the Raptor compared to other 7200RPM drives.
    Connecting to a server takes a few milliseconds loading the level to play on so you can actually join the game on the server is very drive dependant.

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    Yes - I agree that the level loading is drive dependent. But that is not how I understood the "time it also takes to join the game" part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooNice View Post
    Yes - I agree that the level loading is drive dependent. But that is not how I understood the "time it also takes to join the game" part.
    I was just putting forward a (not so sound) theory as to why their benchmarks should be so way off my real world experience. I do generally respect AT, but in this case I don't think slight differences in CPU/RAM would have much effect.... major differences would obviously. Their tests are probably more controlled in that they'd be using HDDs with fresh windows installs, etc, but that doesn't make me believe their results any more than what I have seen with my own eyes

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    I do not really that at this time, the Raptor will have a performance edge other SATA drives. The problem is establishing the margin between the Raptor and the many other SATA drives (of which the 7K1000 have so far shown to be a solid performer - not Raptor level by any mean, but perhaps not a flag worth of lag either). It would be handy to know what drives you've used to compare your Raptor with for instance (still can not rule out methodology issues but makes a better reference).

    It is not like the RPM difference creates an unsurmountable gap in anything but access time. And while I am sure there is a correlation between access time and gaming loading time, I can confortably say that it is not even near 1:1. I had a SCSI drive which still has lower access time than current SATA drives (or older PATA drives for that matter), but would be beat in game loading speed these days. I wouldn't be surprised if the 7K1000 has surpassed my 2nd gen Raptor in game loading speed either. And I am sure the gap between the top end 7200 drives will keep narrowing with the 150GB Raptor.

    WD will most likely be able to stay ahead with future revisions both in firmware (the 2nd gen Raptors were quietly improved over it's lifespan) and design (Raptor WD3000X?) but I do think it is handy to keep a tab on the gap between Raptors and various SATA drives.

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    The other drives are/were:

    Seagate Barracuda 7200.10;
    WD Caviar 16MB cache;
    Diamondmax 8MB cache;

    all 250GB.

    Can you post any links to info about this 7K1000, or where it can be bought please? Sounds interesting....

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    I have a pair of Raptor X 150's in raid. Very fast, very fast indeed but yes they are noisy, very 'clicky' when accessing.

    I've got mine in a pair of German made Silentmaxx enclosures though, quietens them right down and they don't even mind the slight heat increase. The Silentmaxx are so well built the heat is dumped off through the fins around the enclosure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox0r View Post
    I have a pair of Raptor X 150's in raid. Very fast, very fast indeed but yes they are noisy, very 'clicky' when accessing.

    I've got mine in a pair of German made Silentmaxx enclosures though, quietens them right down and they don't even mind the slight heat increase. The Silentmaxx are so well built the heat is dumped off through the fins around the enclosure.

    Agreed.

    And yes, for those who've mentioned SCSI, it is a lot faster, but it's also a lot more expensive.

    The Raptor drives are a nice compromise.

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    @GSte: AT have been playing with theirs lately, the first review (non RAID can be found here).

    You may still have reservations regarding the numbers given that how few drives would give you a lead as wide as you've described (loading time between the fastest and lowest is within 7sec). You can get a second opinion at Tom's Hardware. The inclusion of server applications does paint a more balanced picture: the Raptor clearly leads there - just like modern SCSI drive have an edge on the Raptor. Speaking of which - the Raptor is not to be underestimated for desktop applications either.

    Personally, I am still waiting for the StorageReview to do their review. At this point though, I'd say that the 7K1000, while behind the Raptor in performance, puts on a very respectable show (for desktop use).. and better value per GB despite the premium for being the largest drive available.. at least in the US. I've not yet seen it available in the UK yet.
    Last edited by TooNice; 26-04-2007 at 10:59 PM.

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