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    Noob Watercooling Help / Spec

    After a bit of help with watercooling.

    When I bought my Lian Li v1000 case I got some w/c bits with it and am thinking I may put them to use. The case is also modded to allow top mounting of 240mm Rad with 2*120mm fans.

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    I am looking to cool the system in my profile <=== so need a block for E6400 & 8800GTS.

    Is it worth using what I have or starting again ? What do people recommend for a spec ? Not looking to spend loads of money.

    Also if I watercool the CPU & GPU what additional cooling do I need. I currently have 1 * front and 1 * exit 120mm fans plus the CPU & GPU fans.

    I really want the watercooling to make my system quiet whilst maintaining a decent overclock on CPU & GPU. Not looking for max overclocking.

    Thanks all.....

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    Ummm...top mounted in a v1000? on the outside right? I think on the inside, you would have to remove the rad to get to the motherboard wouldnt you?

    Swiftech radbox or hollowed out 120mm fan, with rad mounted on it on the back worked best for me.

    All depends on your budget and what you want to do.

    For CPU block, the D-Tek Fuzion or Swiftech apogee GTX are currently the best.

    EK full cover blocks are nice looking and work well, but they also dump all the extra heat from the GPU ram and voltage reg into the water, which in turn affects your temps.

    You could go with the swiftech GPU block and a set of ramsinks, this will give the best performance without murdering your temps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clunk View Post
    Ummm...top mounted in a v1000? on the outside right? I think on the inside, you would have to remove the rad to get to the motherboard wouldnt you?
    Yep, to get to the mobo the rad would need to be removed so it's not ideal
    Swiftech radbox or hollowed out 120mm fan, with rad mounted on it on the back worked best for me.
    The radbox looks like a nice solution.

    All depends on your budget and what you want to do.
    Cheap as possible Want a quiet case with decent overclock

    For CPU block, the D-Tek Fuzion or Swiftech apogee GTX are currently the best.
    EK full cover blocks are nice looking and work well, but they also dump all the extra heat from the GPU ram and voltage reg into the water, which in turn affects your temps.
    You could go with the swiftech GPU block and a set of ramsinks, this will give the best performance without murdering your temps.
    Thanks.

    How easy are the Swiftech CPU & GPU waterblocks to fit ?

    With the Blocks, Ramsinks, Eheim pump & DD Rad what else would I need ?

    Apologies for the dumb questions but I have zero experience with water (will definately be reading up before starting this experiment !)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinners View Post
    Yep, to get to the mobo the rad would need to be removed so it's not ideal

    The radbox looks like a nice solution.



    Cheap as possible Want a quiet case with decent overclock



    Thanks.

    How easy are the Swiftech CPU & GPU waterblocks to fit ?

    With the Blocks, Ramsinks, Eheim pump & DD Rad what else would I need ?

    Apologies for the dumb questions but I have zero experience with water (will definately be reading up before starting this experiment !)
    I'm not entirely sure how good the bits are that you already have. An AC pump isnt ideal really, does it have 1/2" barbs?.

    What make is the rad? Does it need high speed fans? if it has very tightly packed fins, it will need higher speed fans usually.

    As long as the res doesnt leak, that will be fine. I used a bay res in my v1000 and it was ok.

    Youll need;

    Couple of bottles of white vinegar to flush out the old stuff.

    Hose clamps.
    Tubing - something like DD clearflex 1/2" ID.
    bottle of zerex.
    funnel.
    deionised water or distilled if you can get it.
    load of kitchen roll.
    thermal paste, ceramique is ideal for the gpu (and ramsinks if using a full cover block).

    GPU blocks are pretty easy to fit, all of them have different fittings, so just a case of following the instructions for whatever one you get. I think theres a downloadable manual for the swiftech one and the EK one.
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    I think I'll ditch the idea of reusing what I have as it looks pretty buggered anyway and the fans are superfast noisy 120s.

    So could someone please spec me up a kit which I could fit in my v1000 and which is cheap but effective, would work in my case and which doesnt involve a dremel. My v1000 has already got the front hard drive drive cage removed.

    I looked at Thermochill PA160 (could this be mounted on the front fan ?) as an option for internal. (If not would this fit the Radbox ?)

    I also saw Fluid XP+ which is non conductive so if I spill it there's no probs. Is it any good ?

    I saw Overclock have a few kits like this one:

    O-CuK FuZion Pro (PA160 - 1/2" Based)

    # D-Tek FuZion
    # ThermoChill PA160 Radiator - as designed by Cathar
    # Nexus 120mm fan - giving good airflow at 12v, and silence at 7v
    # Alphacool Laing DDC Ultra Pump
    # Clear 5.25" Bay Reservoir
    # 10' 7/16"ID Masterkleer Tubing and HoseClamps
    # Arctic Silver 5
    # Zerex Additive (to be added to distilled water at 5% by volume)
    # All necessary barbs, clamps and fittings

    = &#163;196.21
    + EK 8800GTS ~ &#163;60
    or MCW60 + ramsinks ~ &#163;40

    Is this a decent price ? Could I do as good / better for less ?

    Would running the Nexus fan on the rad at 7v give decent cooling performance on a 6420+8800GTS ? With the w/c fitted could I then undervolt my rear fan to make the system pretty much silent whilst still maintaining the temps ?

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    Last edited by tinners; 27-05-2007 at 11:20 PM.

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    Personally tinners,

    I'd go for Swiftech kit, available from the likes of http://specialtech.co.uk or http://overclockers.co.uk or AquaXtreme available from http://www.extremeprometeia.com/acat...ua_Xtreme.html

    By "kit" I don't mean all-in-one, although the Apex kit is quite good, but invariably there are parts you don't want or others you'd prefer.

    With regards the FuZion Pro (which I can't find), if you check Cathar's findings, you'll find you also need a shroud to get the most from the PA160, or any rad for that matter. They eliminate the dead-zone (that being the centre of the fan), however the PA160 is only a single rad and therefore not really suitable for cpu and gpu. By far the better option would be a Black Ice GT Stealth 240 which doesn't require 100cfm+ fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinners View Post
    I think I'll ditch the idea of reusing what I have as it looks pretty buggered anyway and the fans are superfast noisy 120s.

    So could someone please spec me up a kit which I could fit in my v1000 and which is cheap but effective, would work in my case and which doesnt involve a dremel. My v1000 has already got the front hard drive drive cage removed.

    I looked at Thermochill PA160 (could this be mounted on the front fan ?) as an option for internal. (If not would this fit the Radbox ?) Possibly, but if not, it can go on the rear fan outside, but, to be honest, I dont think that will be up to a gpu and cpu as well, unless you dont overclock, and you use higher cfm fans. Best off emailing over-clock about that.

    I also saw Fluid XP+ which is non conductive so if I spill it there's no probs. Is it any good ? I dont believe the hype myself. Deionised/distilled and a splash of zerex.

    I saw Overclock have a few kits like this one:

    O-CuK FuZion Pro (PA160 - 1/2" Based)

    # D-Tek FuZion Great
    # ThermoChill PA160 Radiator - as designed by Cathar great, but i think you might need a better one.
    # Nexus 120mm fan - giving good airflow at 12v, and silence at 7v ok
    # Alphacool Laing DDC Ultra Pump ok
    # Clear 5.25" Bay Reservoir ok
    # 10' 7/16"ID Masterkleer Tubing and HoseClamps ok
    # Arctic Silver 5 great
    # Zerex Additive (to be added to distilled water at 5% by volume) great
    # All necessary barbs, clamps and fittings

    = £196.21
    + EK 8800GTS ~ £60
    or MCW60 + ramsinks ~ £40

    Is this a decent price ? Could I do as good / better for less ?

    Would running the Nexus fan on the rad at 7v give decent cooling performance on a 6420+8800GTS ? I doubt it With the w/c fitted could I then undervolt my rear fan to make the system pretty much silent whilst still maintaining the temps ?

    Thanks
    Look at the graph, you can see that the 160 will remove less than 150w of heat with the nexus fans at 7v.

    Your system generates 184w of heat BEFORE you start overclocking it.



    So you will need a bigger rad, or 2 rads.

    The v1000 isnt great for watercooling, but it is doable if you dont mind cramped
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    The O-CuK FuZion Pro kit is here
    http://store.over-clock.com/prespec_kits.html

    not overclockers.co.uk

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    Cheers,
    I've been proven right about the need for a larger rad too I see!

    If money is tight then you could try and see with your current dual rad and Eheim 1250, you might be plesantly surprised, although the Eheim will undoubted be a larger unit than a D5 or the likes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clunk View Post
    Look at the graph, you can see that the 160 will remove less than 150w of heat with the nexus fans at 7v.
    Your system generates 184w of heat BEFORE you start overclocking it.
    So you will need a bigger rad, or 2 rads.
    The v1000 isnt great for watercooling, but it is doable if you dont mind cramped
    Thanks Clunk, very useful.
    I think I'll drop overclock a line see what they say.
    I guess the PA120 and the radbox could do it then ?

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    If you are going to be overclocking, I would go for the 120.3, that will get rid of around 300w of heat with 7v nexus fans.

    The only problem there is where to put it. I had mine on the back, looked a bit odd but it worked a treat. I used a radbox and a hollwed out fan, that way it doesnt get in the way of your monitor cable.

    You can also remove one of the divider for the pci slits and that will allow your to run even 1/2" hose through without drilling.

    Or, you could also make a casing for the rad and sit it on top.

    I made 2 side cowellings for mine out of a v1000 side panel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clunk View Post
    If you are going to be overclocking, I would go for the 120.3, that will get rid of around 300w of heat with 7v nexus fans.
    Right time for me to stick my head in and say, that a pa120.2 will be enough to cool his cpu and gpu as I've got the same setup plus a mosfet block, the only reason I can see for getting a pa120.3 is its only £7 more expensive, but I was running short on space so had to get the pa120.2.

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    What fans though?
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    Are you wanting to clock as high as possible, run your cpu as cool as possible, or a combination of the 2?

    From what I've gathered from C2D overclocking databases, there isn't a huge difference in max o/c acheived through water rather than high-end air coolers such as the Tuniq Tower 120.

    That being the case, the biggest improvement you'll have using water, will be with regards to temps and possibly noise level (but that would be dependant on the fans used).
    http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1138241

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clunk View Post
    What fans though?
    Opps sorry, two sharkoon 2000's undervolted to 7v, and the temps aint to bad as you've seen from my mosfet block post.

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    There you go, your fans are faster than the nexus @ 7v by quite a bit. I think he would see quite high temps when gaming with those fans, a 120.2 and his setup.
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