OK guys, I now have under full load, after reseating several times and going from Arctic Ceramique to Arctic Silver 5:
Core0: 49°C
Core1: 48°C
Core2: 45°C
Core3: 46°C
Much better than I started with!
Cheers,
Stephen
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OK guys, I now have under full load, after reseating several times and going from Arctic Ceramique to Arctic Silver 5:
Core0: 49°C
Core1: 48°C
Core2: 45°C
Core3: 46°C
Much better than I started with!
Cheers,
Stephen
Was it a big air bubble in your pipe, or were your nuts loose? :lol:
Right I'm going for it today.
Got fed up of the 360fsb (want my 3.4ghz back) I had so I'm going with 380x9 with 1.41v under load as the board wont take a 400fsb, north bridge is at 1.6v
All cores are at 62c and the PWM's are roasting marsh mellows at 90c all on prime 95, hopefully the board will last till I get the x38 version in September.:angst:
Not sure. I seemed to manage to get some more water into my res, so there may have been some air somewhere. But I also reseated the block again using Arctic Silver 5 instead of the Ceramique and then played with my nuts a little (oo-er again).
Should I be aiming for better though, or is that reasonable now?
Cheers,
Stephen
Great stuff ill do that then :) Is it much of a performance boost?
Which is best, 2gb in dual channel or 3gb which i assume wont be dual channel (correct me if im wrong!). All would be ballistix 800mhz stuff
The case has been wiggled, jolted, tilted, turned on it's side, everything I could think off :) With the power off of course... The other thing I have done is run it tipped back at about a 20 degree angle so that any bubbles while running should get trapped at the front of the res and not sucked back into the tubing.
I can still see a lot of small bubbles in there (as in the size you get in a fizzy drink), but otherwise I think I am have most of the air out. I still can here it fizz in places, but I wonder if that is just turbulence as it passes through the waterblock?
Depends how you do it. If you have matched DIMMs, it will still be dual channel, e.g. 2x1GB, 2x512MB. If it is 3x1GB, then no, it won't run dual channel.
Cheers,
Stephen
Cheers,
Stephen
Ok, well, one of my loops was like that, and it was because the turbulence from the flow was causing a vortex insite the reservoir and dragging air back into the water. The only way of fixing that on mine, was to have the reservoir filled right up to the top.
Once all the air is out, it will become pretty much silent.
My cooling loop does a fair bit as well as my quad chip (Couple of 8800 Ultras + a toasty 680i chipset)
EK 8800 GTX Waterblocks
D-Tek Fuzion CPU Block
Thermochill Triple Radiator
Laing DDC 12v
I would recommend the above if you have abit of kit to cool. Not a great picture but you can blame my phone
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/2503/pc4tt4.th.jpg
I have been looking at maybe fitting another Radiator to try and get temps down a bit more as under load after a gaming session temps are up to mid-high 70's
Still attempting to get my head around memory timings - something im still not entirely happy with
Just out of interest, are you using a cylindrical reservoir? And is your pump and 18w DDC?
12hr prime95 stable at 3.2ghz with a 1.45v bridge and 1.35v vcore (under load), temps didnt go above 60c on all cores but pwm's were in the 90c's.
Going for 3.4ghz today (380x9) with 1.41v on vcore same bridge volts, all cores loaded at 62c abd pwms are at 96c, hmmm think I might need some better cooling on these pwms, (and there pulling 108 amps):O_o1:
Yeah the pump is a DDC-1PlusT which has a with Modded Plexi top (So called increases LPM by around 0.5 > 0.7 - Someone at work did it for me cause im useless with a drill)
Swapped my RAM for a couple of sticks of CellShock DDR2 PC2-8000 (Model CS2221450) - Will see what I can get out of them later tonight as well
Right thats me sorted 380x9 so 3.4ghz is what I've got, v-core at 1.45 and bridge at 1.45.
Now the temps before were OK after an hour with prime95 (see previous post), but I had three sharkoon 2000's lying about so I've put them on my PA120.3 and all four cores are at 60c load and my pwms wont go above 90c and I'm a happy bunny.:rockon2:
Just overclocked to 3GHz...stress testing now with SP2004 on each core and the temperatures are through the roof!
(Measuring with tempcore)
69c
69c
67c
67c
Ordered some new 120mm fans for the radiator as they're probably terrible and the likely culprit and a new one for the front of the case and exhaust too. That should knock off a few degrees. Also need to do some tweaking to how to block sits by adjusting the bolts.
Is it safe to have it running at 69c for now?
Is that load or idle if its load its fine Im at 3.4ghz with a 1.45 vcore and load temps are 65c on all cores.
Its ther bloody pwms that have me worried 100c and rising (under water):angst:
How are you measuring those?
Incidentally, I found an interesting, if painful way of making sure your heatsink screws are all under the same tension. First, spend all day yesterday tightening and loosening the screws until blisters form on your fingers. Wait 24 hours and then loosen all the screws before tightening them again until the point where it hurts too much.
My load temps are now in the region of:
Core0: 48-49°C
Core1: 47-48°C
Core2: 44-46°C
Core3: 46-47°C
Once I am happy they will stay around there, I'll start pushing this baby further. My goal is to get as far as I can without increasing the Vcore too much, since my voltage regulators are not watercooled!
Cheers,
Stephen
Yeah sorry forgot to mention its under 100% load :) Was hoping for around 3.4GHz but doesnt look likely :(
Whats 'pwms'?
PWMS are power regulators and in the case of the Quad gt they run very hot when giving power to 4 cores, damn you board damn you.:angst:
3GHz, on idle (measuring with core temp) im getting:
Core 0: 44c
Core 1: 40c
Core 2: 40c
Core 3: 40c
Seems insane that under 100% load on each core that it jumps up to 67-69c!!!!
OK, she's currently running a Prime 95 stab run. Currently at 9x333, load temps are 61,61,56,57 for cores 1,2,3&4 respectively.
Not sure I want to try taking it any higher... That 600MHz increase in clock speed bumped me up 10°C in load temps! :eek: :crazy:
What's considered a safe load temp again? i.e. before the magic smoke escapes from the CPU? :help:
Cheers,
Stephen
Well after 3~hrs of prime95 I'm at 60c~65c on all cores so I think your ok for the moment I'm just trying to keep it under 70c as in everyday situations the cpu is never going to get stressed as much as it is now.
Oh and there good upto 100c before mr grim comes.:)
I'm just going for the overall stability with ram thrown in for good measure as its overclocked from 1066mhz to 1140mhz so fingers crossed it should be 12hrs stable.
If your going to try 800x8 (mine wont boot) you might have to bump up your north bridge voltage a tiny bit, whereas mine wont even post at 1.65v at 800x8 (stupid quad gt.):angst:
OK, we're at 3.24GHz now (9x360, I think), temps haven't changes, Vcore is the same and Prime95 hasn't crashed yet.
Cheers,
Stephen
Well, mine runs at around 70c+ at stock everything under load with the stock cooler, out of the case.
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clunk mate, you've got your keyboard upside-down again, stop farking around!
OK, left her stress testing over night @ 3.24GHz (9x360), still stock volts :eek:
Load temps are:
Core0: 63°C
Core1: 63°C
Core2: 58°C
Core3: 58°C
She's getting a bit warm, which makes me slightly nervous! Maybe going for a PA120.3 radiator isn't such a bad idea... I'm pretty sure the block is on OK now though, as the stock load temps were around the high 40's°C, just touching 50°C on one of the cores. Is it normal to have a 5°C discrepancy between 1 pair of cores and the other though?
Cheers,
Stephen
Q6600 B3 steping OC results
Cooler: Zalman 9700NT cooler
Settings: 9x333=3ghz, Auto vcore.
Load temps while running 4x Prime95 Blend 600mb/ea tests 77-82c over the 4 cores.
Conclusion: Fail. *returns to his E6600*
Will either be a case of running it stock or minor OC at which temps peak at around 70c; or watercooling. And if the option was watercooling i'd be looking at that Kandalf LCS case as my current case only has 1x 120mm intake, and here in NZ the WC bits alone would cost nearly the same as that bloody Kandalf LCS case.
For what I do (mainly games) I think i'd prefer two faster cores than 4 slower ones, yeah?
Volts are stock and I am still thinking about watercooling my Radeon HD 2900XT at some point. I'm planning on getting a new case, since an Antec Sonata is just too small, so I might as well get mount points done for a PA120.3 radiator to allow for future expansion.
She ran stable overnight, so I've put her back to folding, which doesn't raise the temps anything like as much!
Cheers,
Stephen
Got back from work today and had left prime95 running for 12~hrs came back and the test was still going but mouse/keyboard was'nt responding so is that stable or not????
Running just the cpu test now so should see tomorrow morning whats going on.
My set up:
Board: Asus P5K Deluxe
CPU: Q6600 (B3) @ 3.2 (lapped)
Cooler:Thermalright 120 Ultra eXtreme (lapped) with S-Flex 120, 1600RPM.
Case: Silverstone TJ-09
CoreTemp temperatures
Idle:
Core 0: 45c
Core 1: 45c
Core 2: 38c
Core 3: 39c
Load; (using Prime95)
Core 0: 55c
Core 1: 56c
Core 2: 49c
Core 3: 50c
Now I'm gona try for a 3.4
yep got a 60mm delta on it that I salvaged from an old heatsink got a ocz memory cooler coming soon to replace it.
Stupid board and stupid clocks and stupid windows.
Anyway started a blend test last night at around 9pm left it running come back this morning and windows decided it ran out of virtual memory and as a result closed prime95 as well, the results log from prime95 show it ran until 5am without a hiccup so is it safe to assume this thing is stable or would another torture test on just the CPU be better.
I use the in place torture test, as it generates more heat. Blend is good if you want to test memory too, but as my memory is running in spec, I don't bother.
Got a new case coming soon with a PA120.3 radiator fitted in the top - a Lian Li G70. I'm looking forward to having all my watercooling gear inside for a change, as my current Antec Sonata is just too small (radiator is attached to the rear of the outside of the case, pump is sat on the floor on the outside). Not cheap though, it's costing me about £340 from Over-clock, which includes the cost of the case, radiator, a fill point and Marci's time for cutting holes in my case!
Cheers,
Stephen
ouch! i hope you get good clocks!
Nice but for that amount of money you could get the v2000 from them and fit your PA120.2 in the roof like me works out cheaper to.
Yeh think Ill leave it on the toture test tonight to see what happens, but what to test the mem with as its 74mhz over stock now.:mrgreen:
Yeah, I could have bought the V2000, but since heatpipes don't agree with being upside down I wanted a case where the motherboard is the right way up. Yes, it would have been cheaper, but this way I get what I want (case was £160). I did buy some extra stuff on there which bumped up the cost - Thermochill fan grill to fit the length of the rad, another 10m of tubing, some hose clips, so that would have brought the price up another £35-40 anyway.
If I were you, I would go for the in-place torture test and make sure your CPU clock is stable before worrying about the memory. You could slacken the timings on that and it should be fine while you test your CPU overclock. Once you know the CPU is stable, switch back to the one which tests a lot of memory and then start playing with the RAM timings.
Cheers,
Stephen
Ah didnt know you had heatpipes, I'd enquire to marci if I were you as my rad came with the grill as standard so I didnt need to buy one.
Dont think I can slacken the timings anymore as they came stock at 1066mhz at 5-5-5-15.
Yeh, Im running at 380fsb as the board just wont go any higher with the quad, but running on a 2:3 divider so memory is running at 570mhz.
£340? Jesus! Have they got the adding up wrong? :confused: Its about £120 for the case and under £60 for the rad, so £160 for cutting 3 or 4 holes? Unless you are having the sidepanel done, but even so, £160 is very steep.
I just sold mine recently, the problem I had, was that I ran out of 5.25 bays very quickly as the barbs obviously point downwards and they go right accross at least 3 of your bays.
If I had another G70, I would have the rad in the bottom with the air being drawn upwards, and I would also have the 3 fan holes in the top as exhausts, that way the motherboard will get a shedload of airflow, and there will be less dust.
:)
Kustom had the case for about £140, so a £20 premium for them ordering the case in for me.
Fill point and t-piece: £8.11
10 nylon hose clamps: £6.30
20 feet of tubing (I keep spare in case I later rearrange things): £21
Radiator £56.99
Fan/radiator cover: £21.09
case: £162.15
cutting and fitting: £64.63
Cheers,
Stephen
Stock one. Stock thermal pad, No backplate and I think its bending the motherboard, causing the core temps to be a fair bit out.
Case is an Antec P182 with the fans set to medium.
Temps are posted here
http://forums.hexus.net/showpost.php...7&postcount=80
Before, you mentioned second hand water cooling bits being very good value. Is that on here or some other sites? If so, where?
I'm also going to look for a lapping guide for the HSF if I get a decent Air cooler and get some new AS5 (the stuff I have is about 2 years old)
I hope my system's not in any danger with those temps.
Its not prime95 crashing as such its windows running out of memory and closing the program, seems to happen when theres no page file enabled, like me.
Just started up the torture test now with v-core at 1.45, mem at 2.26 and north bridge at 1.44v so fingers crossed it should pass this time and not be interrupted by stupid xp,:angst:
And if she dont pass this time Ill go back to 3.2ghz which I had stable for 12hrs.:woowoo:
Bit of an understatement. They are a complete **** and I was worried about breaking the motherboard the amount of force I was using!
What Air coolers are available that use screws and are near the Tuniq Tower 120 in terms of cooling performance?
Does anyone know if the Tuniq Tower 120 uses screws?
Well she got to 9hrs stable last night without a problem before xp shut it down I have the results to prove it so pffft.
Will find out in 12hours if cpu is stable, and the memory should be as its only running 74mhz over stock and Im putting an extra .9v through it.
If shes stable tomorrow then Ill run another prime95 but focusing on the memory more, and she had the vm problem when the divider was stock and the memory was running at 266mhz or something.
Denial don't have that problem just optimistic thoughts. lol.
Exactly how much voltage are you putting through that memory? :eek:
Daza, run your memory without a divider and with swap allocated. Once your CPU benches stable, then start playing with the other stuff.
You are changing 3 different things, any one of which could cause your machine to lock up.
Cheers,
Stephen
runs at 2.1v stock just my very bad maths.
Just kidding mate :)
The only time that prime ever hangs on me, is when I'm using a lower multi, usually an 8x, dunno why either.
I managed to kill 2 x ballistic tracers last night at the same time, and they werent even overclocked/overvolted..well, 1080Mhz 2.2v 4-4-4-12.
Oh another question, going for a 12hr stable run on the cpu as 74mhz (on the ram) is nothing these days, my +5v line has kinda crashed from 5.01v to 4.98v every now and then but stays on 5.01v most of the time.
Is this likley to hurt performance at all or should I start looking for a new psu again.
More edits, Can someone look at this ram (mine), and tell me what voltage it is supposed to be at stock as Im reading 2.3 here which I alot to zap them with Im sure I read 2.1 somewhere.Yup says 2.1v here :juggle:
I suppose it depends what chips they have on them. If d9, they will need more volts usually.
Maybe different revisions had different chips, that would explain the conflicting reports?
Well I is leaving them at 2.2v as they seem fine and 9hrs stable is good enough for me.
Now next point is this stupid ocz memory cooler I got today, after everybody saying its great I gave in a bought one for £15, now the reason its so god damn cheap.
It just doesn't do its job good enough each fan moves 16cfm of air at 3000rpm and is my ram any cooler like hell it is back on with the 7cm delta, put it on a fan controller and bingo quiet fan and cool memory (I mean cool to the touch literally).
So my thoughts on this ocz memory cooler pain to fit, fitting is loose and wont cool the ram good enough.:angst:
So anyone want a ocz memory cooler £15 inc p&p.:mrgreen:
I think supershanks dumped his OCZ one and got a corsair one...wheres he gone again?
Right if I hear one ounce of laughing things will get nasty.
Now just as I finished typing that post I had a complete freeze, so I 'm now running 356x9 with v-core at 1.37, mem at 1068mhz @ 2.14v and the bridge at 1.45v, I've tested this setting with prime95 and its stable at 12hr.
Just got fed up of testing to be stable maybe Ill look into 3.4ghz next week but I think 3.2 aint that bad.
I would but for the sake of 200mhz is it really worth it ???
Which equates to 2~3fps, Ill probelly look into it next week when I've got time/effort but Im happy as it is for now.
:help: :eek:
This says it all:
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6164/eeekuv5.jpg
GA-P35-DS4, Q6600, with a Scythe Ninja+ RevB with the fan attached, and using AS5. Vista x64, 4gb OCZ PC6400.
Applied the thermal paste as per AS5 directions, straight line across middle...
Strange thing is a massive variation in temperatures..
Idle is:
Core 0: 66
Core 1: 62
Core 2: 58
Core 3: 61
Looks to me like your heatsink isnt on properly. For stock, that is just wrong.
Thanks - thats what I'll do.
Been such a while since I last had to do anything CPU wise - whats best for cleaning cpu/heatsink paste off? and will a credit card do for spreading it?
I use dry kitchen roll to remove the old stuff, and any stubborn stuff, isopropyl, or akasa tim clean will do.
Anybody have any experience with this cooler?
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/produ...oductID=644693
Sorry.
Fixed.
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/produ...oductID=644693
Agreed. Whether air or water cooling, it would appear only the very top tier of high end products can really handle a quad due to the amount of heat these chips can dissipate.
If that's your budget (£40-£50), get a Thermalright Ultra-120 extreme and stick a good 120mm fan on it (like an S-Flex 1600rpm) - it's the best cooling you'll get for that sort of money :)
^^Seconded :)
*sigh* re-applied paste, and now the temps are 5 degrees higher :eek:
time to have another go...
Edit:
OK, after about 5 different attempts at putting the paste on etc, I've ended up with:
69/69/60/61 under load
47/44/37/42 ish idle.
How do those sound?
The utterly INSANE design of the DS4 motherboard (massive great heatsinks around the CPU area make removing/installing a large cooler (Scythe Ninja+) an absolute pain (my hands look like they've been through a meat shredder), so if you're getting the DS4 either don't get a large heatsink or get the DSR3 instead, barely any difference - only got the DS4 because the DS3 was out of stock, wish I hadn't now.....
Anyone got any suggestions before I just install the intel cooler and leave it at that?
Sounds like the HS isn't quite on flat, not making proper contact with one core (because of the temp difference between 2 of the 4 cores). See Clunk's first post for details of how to tweak. Warning - may involve more hand shredding :)
Sell the DS4 and get yourself the DS3R that you originally wanted :embarrassed: