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    Question A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    When SATA first overtook IDE as being the most commonly sold, reviews and benchmarks actually showed that IDE was still faster under most circumstances.

    When I try to search on the matter now, all I can find is the old comparisons written 2-3 years ago.

    Does anyone have any knowledge on this subject?

    Or can anyone find any modern reviews/comparisons?

    (I'm not interested in hearing your views unless you have some real facts and proper knowledge on the subject - people that post stuff like "Of course SATAs better! it's newer!" are no help, and obviously have an ignorance in the subject.)

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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    early SATA drives were implemented as IDE drives with a conversion chip on the bottom (usually a Marvell SerDes). The speed difference was negligible, but there was a slight increase in power consumption to feed the chip.

    that hasn't been the case for a while - in fact, the reverse is generally true. there's also NCQ, which allows a drive to determine the best order to access N requested chunks of data (rather than letting the OS determine the order regardless of speed considerations). it's technology thieved from SCSI which isn't available on IDE.

    then there's the raptors - if speed really is your concern, no IDE disk ever made can compete with a (SATA) raptor.

    and finally, the main reason to pick SATA - the cabling is infinitely nicer, and makes for infinitely neater systems

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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    I don't have any facts...but thats cos i think people know sata is the way forward and so there is no real need to compare them anymore. When SATA first came in the reason ide was beating it was cos they were around the same speeds just different technology so the older more honed tech, ide, performed slightly better. Plus the chipets used for sata at the start weren't great But theyve since made revisions with sata II and faster data flows which means new sata drives will outperform ide drives.

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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    early SATA drives were implemented as IDE drives with a conversion chip on the bottom (usually a Marvell SerDes). The speed difference was negligible, but there was a slight increase in power consumption to feed the chip.
    I'm not talking about SATA from that early - I'm talking about when SATA became the new standard and overtook IDE sales at high speed.

    I remember reading something like SATA being hugely slower than IDE at reading and writing at the same time? But SATA was marginally faster at reading large files?

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    and finally, the main reason to pick SATA - the cabling is infinitely nicer, and makes for infinitely neater systems
    I'm not interested at all with the design of the cable, I just want performance - I have a good 160GB IDE drive, and wondering if I should use that in my new PC, or buy a new SATA, so I'm interested in the facts!

    And not....

    Quote Originally Posted by TMD View Post
    I don't have any facts... BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, SATA is newer therefore better
    But thanks for being interested enough to post anyway

    LCD is newer and more convienient because of it's size, and has become the new standard for monitors - BUT CRT IS BETTER!!!

    Has SATA just become the new standard because it's more convienient with small cables and nice connectors? I'm talking from the viewpoint of 7,200 RPM drives, I'm not interested in buying a 10k RPM drive.

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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    Doesn't make any difference. The performance of the two is the same, SATA is just more convienient and possibly cheaper to manufacture.

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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    Quote Originally Posted by Andaho View Post
    I'm not talking about SATA from that early - I'm talking about when SATA became the new standard and overtook IDE sales at high speed.

    I remember reading something like SATA being hugely slower than IDE at reading and writing at the same time? But SATA was marginally faster at reading large files?



    I'm not interested at all with the design of the cable, I just want performance - I have a good 160GB IDE drive, and wondering if I should use that in my new PC, or buy a new SATA, so I'm interested in the facts!

    And not....



    But thanks for being interested enough to post anyway

    LCD is newer and more convienient because of it's size, and has become the new standard for monitors - BUT CRT IS BETTER!!!

    Has SATA just become the new standard because it's more convienient with small cables and nice connectors? I'm talking from the viewpoint of 7,200 RPM drives, I'm not interested in buying a 10k RPM drive.
    well thats not what i said...

    of course everything that is new is not better...

    the whole point of sata was to give it its own individual channel and dispense with the old master and slave tech. And also to improve the throughput of data through the bus. IDE maxed out at 133mbps whereas the new sata II has a 300mbps max throughput.

    It depends on what you want to use your drive for...you may find that there may still be some older ide drives with slightly better read/write times...although im pretty sure if you look at the specs for sata they will be the same now...but in this day and age when we're dealing with games with massive textures, HD video editting etc...you want to be able to handle a large amount of data per second...where sata will perform much better than ide...

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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Doesn't make any difference. The performance of the two is the same, SATA is just more convienient and possibly cheaper to manufacture.
    *** cencored comment about me annoyed at another post without facts ***

    I know the 2 technologys work differently, and IDE is faster at some things where SATA is faster at others, but what are the differences, and which is faster/slower at what?

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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    and finally, the main reason to pick SATA - the cabling is infinitely nicer, and makes for infinitely neater systems
    It looks neater, it consumes less space, it's easy to route BUT they disconnect to easy and have a habit of breaking to pieces on me.

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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    Quote Originally Posted by TMD View Post
    . And also to improve the throughput of data through the bus. IDE maxed out at 133mbps whereas the new sata II has a 300mbps max throughput. .
    & no single drive can get remotely close to a continuous transfer rate of 133 let alone 150 or 300 ...
    Simply put if you have 2 mechanically identical drives but 1 uses IDE & 1 uses SATA interfaces the performance will be the same as it's the mechanics that are the limiting factor not the interface.

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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    Quote Originally Posted by Andaho View Post
    I know the 2 technologys work differently,
    And here is your mistake

    SATA is an IDE standard. What you are referring to as IDE (PATA) is basically the same. If you get an old drive, it really is just the parallel PATA interface bundled down a serial line hence there was a conversion overhead and they used to be negligably slower.

    Modern SATA drives can do NCQ, but lots of people turn that off as it can slow down workstation response, and then you basically just get an old IDE drive but with neat cabling.

    To sum up: SATA is the way forward, but your old parallel drive is fine. If you want to make use of the latest platter densities and possibly quieter bearings, I would get a SATA drive.

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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    http://www.intel.com/technology/seri...hitepapers.htm

    Some reasonably concise (older) Intel white paper - introductory overview material on S-ATA ..echoing what's already been echoed.

    Not forgetting - http://www.sata-io.org/satatechnology.asp

    From these people - http://www.sata-io.org/

    May be of interest to you, may not.

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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    Quote Originally Posted by Andaho
    I'm not interested at all with the design of the cable, I just want performance - I have a good 160GB IDE drive, and wondering if I should use that in my new PC, or buy a new SATA, so I'm interested in the facts!
    If you have a drive from 2 to 3 years ago (or possibly even older?) then you will notice a performance improvement with a new drive. This isn't to do with the connection interface but will be to do with stuff like densities, perpendicular recording, improved seeks through better firmware etc.
    You would also get reduced heat and noise (assuming like for like anyway, eg 160GB from 3 years ago vs 160GB today) as a by-product, and possibly reduced power consumption.
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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    Well one thing to consider that hasn't seemed to be touched on, is not just that SATA has higher bandwidth, but that many SATA drives being sold have shorter seak times and larger cashe memory which will also have a large impact on performance.

    I'm sure you could get IDE with faster seak times and larger cashe but they don't seem to be makeing them much.

    One really good advantage of SATA is the far smaller cabeling.
    EDIT: and I would count that as a factor as it's far eaiser manage the smaller SATA cables vs IDE ribbons or rounded.
    That said I've kept my IDE as I've got two disks, an 80gb and a 250gb and that's plenty of space for me, if I needed more I'd get a SATA. Although I'm thinking about getting a small fast SATA drive to stick my OS on.
    So to sum up, stick with your IDE if you're upgradeing and have got large drives currently. And consider getting a small fast SATA drive to put your OS on
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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    Quote Originally Posted by Andaho View Post
    *** cencored comment about me annoyed at another post without facts ***

    I know the 2 technologys work differently, and IDE is faster at some things where SATA is faster at others, but what are the differences, and which is faster/slower at what?
    What part of 'The performance of the two is the same' doesn't answer your question about speeds?

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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    By the way, although there is alot to wade through, Storage Review is comprehensive and quite technical & evidence based as a web resource for hard drives.
    http://www.storagereview.com/
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    Re: A Modern Look at IDE vs SATA Hard Drives

    Quote Originally Posted by MSIC View Post
    By the way, although there is alot to wade through, Storage Review is comprehensive and quite technical & evidence based as a web resource for hard drives.
    http://www.storagereview.com/
    Yup it's the place I use to check up on drives, though it always seems to lag a long way behind releases.

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