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    crt vs lcd

    hi there
    what are the differences between a top of the range crt compared to a top lcd monitor.
    i mean just picture quality.

    a top crt i feel still offers excellent imaging and colour unless you pay top whack for a good lcd. right?

    lcds are flatter, and bigger - price for price if you could get hold on one, which would be better value just for the picture quality technically?

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    Re: crt vs lcd

    Quote Originally Posted by freddie View Post
    hi there
    what are the differences between a top of the range crt compared to a top lcd monitor.
    i mean just picture quality.

    a top crt i feel still offers excellent imaging and colour unless you pay top whack for a good lcd. right?

    lcds are flatter, and bigger - price for price if you could get hold on one, which would be better value just for the picture quality technically?
    I don't think you could get much of a definitive answer on this, because some people have different opinions on this. Some people still swear by CRT's and say they haven't seen an LCD that compares.

    But LOTS of people on the net are constantly talking about how their LCD blows away their old CRT. Personally, I "upgraded" from a really cheap old CRT, to an expensive, well respeced LCD, and the quality really isn't a whole lot different. If anything, I think the CRT was slightly better. The blacks on the CRT where just a wee bit blacker. And I sometimes sense some slight twinkling sometimes on the LCD. Other than that though, they are pretty close. But this is an LCD that cost almost &#163;400, where as you can get a CRT for a fraction of that price, which will look just as good, if not better.

    The problem with CRT's is becoming their availability. The size is obviously an issue, but I also find that the lack of widescreen is a problem too. There aren't all that many CRT's out there which have widescreen, and once you use a widescreen monitor for a while, its unpleasent to use a none widescreen.

    But basically, yes, it takes a really good LCD to match an average CRT. Most people seem to love their LCD's and talk about how they are perfect... But I'm my experience, they aren't. I've seen several, and the owners are happy with them. But I've looked at them and thought they looked really quite bad. Most had terrible uneven backlight, and not only that, but some of them had very noticeable ghosting, some of them had very primitive colours compared to a CRT (or a true 8bit LCD), and some had bad banding, bad screen door effect, etc. They don't all suffer from these problems, but a lot do, and for some reason, not everyone seems to notice it.

    A lot depends on what you use the monitor for. A monitor can seem absolutely perfect for general use in Windows (surfing the net etc). But as soon as you load up a game, things fall apart. So if you don't play games for example, then you have a much better chance to find a perfect monitor (for you). And budget matters a lot too. If you've got a grand to spend, there are LCD's like the 2690WUXi which are meant to be amazing.

    When I wieghed everything up though, I decided to go the LCD route, even although I do still like the idea of CRT's. The LCD I have has lots of faults, although, if it was working as intended, I would probably take it over any CRT. I'm due to buy another monitor in the next week or so though, so maybe I will then finally makes me forget about CRTs.

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    Re: crt vs lcd

    I really couldn't disagree more with you Acrobat, but that's mainly because I find that prolonged usage of CRTs gives me a nasty headache for reasons unknown.

    I personally find LCDs superior in literally every way, and I'm surprised to find that people could think otherwise.
    Last edited by Fraz; 09-10-2007 at 12:04 AM.

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    Re: crt vs lcd

    You can get headaches from any screen if the refresh rate is too low, but that tends to not happen on TFT's because of the way they are made. Set a CRT to anything less than 70Hz and I'll get a headache in less than an hour. But at 80Hz its fine. At 85Hz or more, its actually a joy to use. But its rare to find a CRT that can't do 80hz or more. If you ever get headaches from a CRT, then it hasn't been set up properly, or it is being pushed to a resolution above what it should be using.
    Last edited by acrobat; 09-10-2007 at 12:06 AM.

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    Re: crt vs lcd

    You're no-doubt right. I always pushed any CRT I had up to the maximum resolution it would handle... but there were other things I hated. The reflections on glass, being the next on my list. God alone knows why people buy those shiny TFTs.

    Also, in all my time I never found a CRT anywhere near as bright as any of the (non-laptop) LCDs I've owned.

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    Re: crt vs lcd

    Yeah the maximum resolution usually lowers the speed of it alot Thats what causes the headaches. They usually have a default resolution which is when they are at their best. And they usually allow you to go higher but the speed can really drop. (Its the flickering at lower speeds which causes headaches). Some of the more modern ones where getting really good though, speed wise - even when cranked to their maximum resolution.

    The brightness thing can be an issue, but its often possible to get around that. My last one was a bit too dark, but in the nVidia control panel, you can just increase the brighness using the graphics card. Using that, I managed to get it plenty bright enough. I think many ATI cards have an equivalent bit of software which can do the same too. I can even do that on my work PC which only has an integrated graphics chip on the motherboard. But I suppose if it was on a PC which didn't have that option, they could be too dark. Although, some of the more expensive CRT's (which are still cheaper than LCD's) where really bright. My friend had a really fancy Sony screen, and it was amazing.

    The glass screen issue can be annoying though. I always had to arrange my desks so its not facing the window.
    Last edited by acrobat; 09-10-2007 at 12:25 AM.

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    Re: crt vs lcd

    I personally would never contemplate going back to a CRT.

    My Eizo is just fantastic, and it is. I'm not exaggerating, I just find it fantastic. Colours are far more vibrant than on the CRT I had and the image is just much more crisp and clean looking. The only bad thing, well, negative is a better word, is that it obviously doesn't have the viewing angles of a CRT, but to be honest they are pretty darn good and I sit right in front of it anyway, so it makes no difference to me.
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    Re: crt vs lcd

    The main reason I couldn't go back to a CRT display is space. My previous CRT had (22" Mitsubishi) a width and depth of 55cm; I really appreciate having most of my desk back. The other reasons being heat and energy consumption; both far too high by today's standards.
    My only concern is should I hide my true identity? A costume maybe?

    0iD: Plus weeing in it every now & again does it good
    scaryjim: 10" is just a little large to hold comfortably in one hand, which makes it a lot harder to tap, swipe and generally interact with.

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    Re: crt vs lcd

    Quote Originally Posted by freddie View Post
    hi there
    what are the differences between a top of the range crt compared to a top lcd monitor.
    i mean just picture quality.

    a top crt i feel still offers excellent imaging and colour unless you pay top whack for a good lcd. right?

    lcds are flatter, and bigger - price for price if you could get hold on one, which would be better value just for the picture quality technically?
    What aspects make up picture quality?

    Colours on a good CRT are still better than a top LCD monitor. Contrast is better on a good CRT.

    Brightness however is now better on an LCD. Image shape/low distortion is better on an LCD. Sharpness/focus is better on an LCD.

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    if I had a desk big enough for it I'd get myself a big CRT no hesitation, the image quality on them is amazing, the only reason I have a TFT is the space issue, and while I am happy to use it I just feel that over all the colors aren't as vibrant as they were on my Vision Master Pro 1413 I used to have.

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    Re: crt vs lcd

    Couldn't agree more. I use both and the CRT is far far better for colour and contrast. If you have the space go for a CRT, you will enjoy it.

    Good ones are a rare breed to find.
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    I've got a garage full of 17 inch CRT's, a couple of compaq ones and some CTX ones aswell. I have to say that the CTX ones give a far better picture than the compaq ones do.

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    Re: crt vs lcd

    Quote Originally Posted by freddie View Post
    a top crt i feel still offers excellent imaging and colour unless you pay top whack for a good lcd. right?
    Yup. Things haven't really got better with LCDs over CRTs. It's very similar to the situation with music. CDs have great audio quality, so we invent mp3... why? because it's convenient, and generally people are more concerned about convenience than quality.

    I have an LCD, and plan to get another soon, but that doesn't stop me recognising that some aspects of CRTs were better than even the latest LCDs.

    But all is not lost, OLEDs will save the day. Better colour gamuts than CRTs, just as fast (microseconds not milliseconds), and stunningly thin. Just wait until the technology progresses enough to become mainstream. I am biased, as it is my area of research, but just give us some time, and we will plaster the world with polymer displays

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    Re: crt vs lcd

    Yep, I'm really looking forward to affordable LED backlit screens let alone the organic ones
    My only concern is should I hide my true identity? A costume maybe?

    0iD: Plus weeing in it every now & again does it good
    scaryjim: 10" is just a little large to hold comfortably in one hand, which makes it a lot harder to tap, swipe and generally interact with.

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    Re: crt vs lcd

    pfft. 3d displays ftw

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    Re: crt vs lcd

    Does anybody make a high end crt anymore? A mate was looking around a while ago and all the top end stuff was out of production. I run a 21" trinitron tube, res is up to 1920 x 1440 / 75 Hz, but I run my one around 1600/1200 85hz. Paid &#163;200 for it over 3 years ago, had a 2 year gtee.

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