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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    Will you be overclocking??

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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    I'll leave it standard for a little bit once it's all put together but I will be looking to overclock it in the near future yes. A complete novice at overclocking though so I'll have to look online for guides before i go about doing it.

    Thanks Blitzen I'll look into that.

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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    Quote Originally Posted by RichieLee View Post
    I'll leave it standard for a little bit once it's all put together but I will be looking to overclock it in the near future yes. A complete novice at overclocking though so I'll have to look online for guides before i go about doing it.

    Thanks Blitzen I'll look into that.

    Although you will leave it as standard for now, the OCZ memory clocks beautifully.

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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosaline View Post
    Calling all 22" monitors a special case that larger or smaller monitors don't have is a sweeping generalisation when you don't include the details, such as they predominantly use TN panels. Technologically, there is no reason why they all have to be this special case, so again, a sweeping generalisation.
    Its not a generalisation if its true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosaline View Post
    And surely the colour reproduction quality is more important anyday than the techniques used to reach that colour?
    True. And thats why you should avoid 22" monitors if the quality is important to you. Because they all use 6bit panels.

    Quote Originally Posted by s_kinton View Post
    No need to be like that. There was no tone, just a question to ask you to back up your statement. I would also like a read of whatever source you post, based on your comments adn the fact that I own a 22" monitor.
    No need to be like what? You don't tell someone they are using sweeping generalisations and basically suggest they are talking bollocks, if you don't know that to be the case. And you don't know, or you wouldn't be asking for proof.

    And if you own a 22" monitor, you should be able to find the specifications of whatever it is, and see for yourself. Or find someone with a good 20" or 24" screen, and put yours next to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by RichieLee View Post
    So what's the benefit of the Quad core processor then? Is it for "futureproofing"? The only reason I ask is that a friend has a dual core processor that runs the same clock speed standard as a quad core and works out to be like &#163;75 cheaper, which could be used elsewhere.
    You might not need the quad core actually, but it just makes sense to buy it really. That &#163;75 just sets you up for the future much better than a dual core. So its not essential, but its probably worth doing considering the price difference isn't huge. If you are really into your gaming though, you might be better off putting that &#163;75 towards a better graphics card. Or even get a smaller CPU which would give you more to spend on a graphics card, and you might be able to get an 8800GTX. You can then overclock your CPU to keep up. (There is a good guide on this forum btw).

    As for that Samsung monitor, I don't know anything about it (apart from the tech spec), but I think you would probably be better off with that, than the other one. Also, when you get it, run a dead pixel test to make sure you don't have any. Because if you do, you can sometimes get a replacement, no questions asked, if you are within the first couple of weeks. Sometimes after that, some companies (NEC grr...) will screw you and only offer you a refurbished replacement etc...
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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    Implying that no other size of monitor could possibly have this problem, and that the problem is exclusively thanks to being 22" in diagonal is fairly off the mark, tbh. The majority of reviews for quality 22" that I have seen show good conformance to the ISO colour range. This normally is a very good guide to colour reproduction quality.

    There is frankly no logical reason why monitors bigger or smaller cannot be effected by this issue, so more information is needed to make sure that those considering a purchase know how to avoid such a problem. Asking for this information seems perfectly reasonable to me.

    Edit: I've just read up on the issue, and it is all down to the TN panels in use, although only S-PVA seems to be exclusively 8-bit based. These TN panels are actually extremely common, with a lot of monitors of 24" or smaller being based on this. The Samsung 206BW, for example, has this 6bit dithering issue. Explaining the technological basis and what to check for allows for this to be investigated and the problem truely avoided.

    Now, I'll admit that my wording could have been nicer, yes. However, stating that someone should have a smaller, less pleasing monitor or a &#163;100+ more expensive monitor whilst giving them no means to ensure that they avoid the same problem aside from an illogical connection is not fair, either. Rubbishing other people's existing purchases without proof is not nice, either. You could at least add "However what really matters is your own personal experience", which is ultimately the truth in all things.

    This entire discussion has gotten frankly out of hand and off-topic, however
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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    So here's a quick list I made from browsing on Overclockers. See what you think. I'm not necessarily going to buy it all from OC I'll shop around after i know exactly what parts I need. It's here to let you guys know what

    RAM-OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400C4 Dual Channel Platinum Revision 2 XTC Series DDR2 (OCZ2P800R22GK) £46.99

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    Case-Antec P182 in gunmetal black £82.24

    processor- Intel E6750 £119.84

    motherboard-Asus P5K Intel P35 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard £82.24 OR Abit IP35 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard £82.24
    - I could use some help on this one, both the same price, I just dont know which one to opt for. Any help please?

    Graphics card-BFG GeForce 8800 GTS OC 320MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI £182.11

    (possibly)sound card-Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio 7.1 Sound Card - OEM (PCI) £28.19

    hard drive- I have absolutely no idea, some suggestions would be great.

    optical drive-Samsung SH-S202JBEBN 20x DVD±RW x12 Ram Dual Layer DVD-Writer £19.96

    so right now that's £629.71 even before adding a hard drive!

    anyway what are your thoughts on these components?

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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    update. So here's an updated list of everything including peripherals. It all comes to a hefty £992.68. If you have any suggestions, advice or queries about the hardware I've listed please say something as I am a complete noob with computers and this really will be my first ever build. Also any suggestions as to where to go to get the equipment would be great.

    Again thanks for all the help so far, you guys have helped a lot!

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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    That looks great to me. What does that all add up to now? That Samsung spinpoint is a decent disk too. The only thing I wonder is if you are really into your games, you might be better off getting a smaller CPU and then putting the money towards your graphics card. Even just the 640mb version of that GTS could help you. But thats just gaming. The rest of your work would probably benefit more from that faster CPU anf FSB. By the way, if that case doesn't come with fans, you can plan on what fan(s) to get for that too. Fast ones with high air flow (but noisy). Or slow ones with not much air flow but quiet. Etc.


    Rosaline....
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosaline View Post
    Implying that no other size of monitor could possibly have this problem,
    I never implied that at all. Read my post again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosaline View Post
    and that the problem is exclusively thanks to being 22" in diagonal is fairly off the mark, tbh.
    Its not because of the size, its because of the panels used in 22" screens... I'm not going to argue this with you anymore and listen to you tell me I'm off the mark, and then have you ask me for information... Either research it yourself, or just continue to assume that I'm wrong because you can't think of any logical reason why it would be true and can't be bothered to research it yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosaline View Post
    Edit: I've just read up on the issue, and it is all down to the TN panels in use, although only S-PVA seems to be exclusively 8-bit based. These TN panels are actually extremely common, with a lot of monitors of 24" or smaller being based on this. The Samsung 206BW, for example, has this 6bit dithering issue. Explaining the technological basis and what to check for allows for this to be investigated and the problem truely avoided.
    I did explain... Read my post again. I told him clearly that they where 6bit and that he would be better off with an 8bit panel. Perhaps if you didn't concentrate on arguing with me, you would see that I told him that, and I'm the only one who told him that.. You've just spent the rest of the time arguing with me about it and only now did you bother to research it yourself. And yet you are still trying to argue with me about it even although you saw what I said was true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosaline View Post
    Now, I'll admit that my wording could have been nicer, yes. However, stating that someone should have a smaller, less pleasing monitor or a &#163;100+ more expensive monitor whilst giving them no means to ensure that they avoid the same problem aside from an illogical connection is not fair,
    Bollocks, don't give me that. Whats not fair is you arguing with me about something you haven't researched. I never said all other sized monitors are pefect. I just suggested he avoided 22", and now you know why. And I gave him the reasons why, which he could use to find a more suitable monitor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosaline View Post
    Rubbishing other people's existing purchases without proof is not nice, either. You could at least add "However what really matters is your own personal experience", which is ultimately the truth in all things.
    Thats bollocks too. I haven't rubbished anybody's anything. And like I said, I don't appreciate being told I'm wrong by someone who hasn't researched it. If you just asked me for proof to begin with, I probably would have found it for you. And that own personal experience thing is bollocks too. We're not talking about favourite restaurant here, its a piece of hardware that he wants to do real work on, flash/photoshop etc. It would be stupid to have him go out and buy a 6bit screen when he could have a better one for a similar price. Don't try to make out I gave him unreasonable or unfair advice. I didn't. Read my post again.
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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    Quote Originally Posted by acrobat View Post
    You might not need the quad core actually, but it just makes sense to buy it really. That £75 just sets you up for the future much better than a dual core. So its not essential, but its probably worth doing considering the price difference isn't huge. If you are really into your gaming though, you might be better off putting that £75 towards a better graphics card. Or even get a smaller CPU which would give you more to spend on a graphics card, and you might be able to get an 8800GTX. You can then overclock your CPU to keep up. (There is a good guide on this forum btw).
    Having a buff CPU with an 8800GTX is pretty much a given though, just under a core's worth of CPU time will be drivers compiling DX/OpenGL calls to the GPUs native instructions and priming data. A Q6600 is a worthwhile buy as more and more games are going to make use of it. So it's not a bad suggestion at all.
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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    Yeah, there are actually quite a few games which are making good use of it already too. It just makes sense (for a gamer atleast) because its only a matter of time until there are more games like Alan Wake which completely, purposely, offload large chunks of processing tasks to specific cores.

    Although, on a strict budget, I would still have a hard time choosing that, at the expense of a better graphics card. But it probably all depends on how good that 8800GTS (320mb version) is. I don't really know how good it is. I just know I would rather a better graphics card if possible, because even the 8800GTX struggles with a few games

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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    I'm not an obsessive player of games if I'm totally honest. I've had consoles before like the wii, ps2 etc and played with them for a few sessions then not touch them again for months. A pc however I will use almost everyday. I mean if I get bored with a game I can easily do something else on a computer be it another game or surfing the web or watching a dvd. This is why I'm setting out to bulid it as a multimedia rig, i.e. why I'm choosing a tv/monitor as mentioned previously.

    The emphasis on gaming performance is there because I intend on playing a lot more games with this new machine. I've never really had a "gaming pc" per s&#233;. It's always been a cheap low end computer, and because of this I havent had the pleasure of playing the latest games. I enjoy FPSs but let's be honest they're a little bit cack on consoles due to the sluggish control pad. With this new rig hopefully i'll be able to use it for all my uni work, for watching tv, for listening to music and playing all the latest games at super fast speeds!

    I'm going for a 20" monitor because the bigger one is like over &#163;100 more. and that money really could be used elsewhere and besides an upgrade from a 15" laptop screen up to a 20" would be impressive enough I think

    I am contemplating a quad core but right now I think at the price it is the E6750 is perfectly suitable for my needs, overclocked it should be capable of handling the latest games for the next couple of years at least so when the time comes I'll hopefully have the funds to replace the CPU if need be.

    The price at the moment is up to &#163;992.68 inc delivery from Overclockers. If I decide this is the perfect spec for me then I'll go and ask the other retailers like Scan or YoYoTech to see if they can do a deal.

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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    Hmmm a quick configuration on Yoyotech has landed me with this, note the 620w PSU and an 8800 GTX. The price doesn't seem to be much more really. but it is excluding a monitor I suppose.

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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    If the budget allows, and you are running 64 Bit Vista (no reason not to with that system i would think), either get the 2x2gb memory or 4 x 1gb.

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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    I'm going to stick with XP for the moment until a service pack comes out for vista.

    I think I may leave out the GTX instead put a GTS in it so I can free up some cash for the monitors speakers, mouse and keyboard etc.

    Essentially I must keep this rig to &#163;1000 absolute maximum including everything.

    Again any advice or suggestions greatly appreciated thanks for all the info so far.

    motherboard wise I really could use some help with. I'm looking at Asus P5Ks atm but so many of them vary in price massively and then there's mention of the Abit boards. what's the difference? It's all a bit confusing to me.

    Are there any areas I could skimp on to make up for in others? Everything I've come across I've tried to opt for quality over price, it's pretty difficult to get a good compromise without sacrificing something else in the process, then of course with quality comes price.
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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    I'm looking at Asus P5Ks atm but so many of them vary in price massively and then there's mention of the Abit boards. what's the difference?
    The main difference i think is that you can get help from ABIT either via the forums here or by telephone.
    From what i have read before, ASUS are the 'Lord Lucan' of the PC component world. (or have they cleared up their act now? )

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    Re: I've got £650 to spend what would you suggest?

    Nope they're still pretty damn terrible.

    I'd go Abit any chance I got.

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