Seriously Annoyed

Ok here goes. 8 weeks ago i bought 2 Samsung 500GB drives from Scan as they got great reviews on Custom PC.

Today one started making a clicking noise. I rebooted the computer and it hasnt worked since. So thats 435GB of data down the drain. Now the other drive has started clicking. It also has about 400GB of data on it and i have no way of backing it up. I guess its about to die too?

And even funnier. Last week i ordered £900 of computer equipment. And guess what?! another samsung drive which is now in my computer. So im stuck with these dam drives.

Is there no way to get my data back? I dont have £200+ at this time of the year to buy a few new hard drives to back up the other ones that are 8 weeks old.

Needless to say that Samsung may be able to make monitors but THEY CANT make hard drives.

Should have stuck with Western Digital as ive never had a problem with them.

Terrible to be honest. For a hard drive to only have 2 months of life in it.

Neon

It depends how much the data is worth to you. Most recovery services are around £30 to £50 but they normally tell you if the data is salvagable for free :) after that get it replaced under warranty and sell it if you don't want it.

There are some tools to do this stuff yourself out there but I don't know what to recommend or how much it will cost. Maybe free maybe useless.

Very weird. Sammys are usually some of the best out there :(

strange normally good drives. maybe a bad batch....

The ones that I have had in the last three years or so have been pretty good!! I wonder if the Spinpoint T series are as reliable as the older P series?? I assume you have a T series drive.

I have a Samsung disk that 'sticks' when it cold starts.

I'd agree with Mike here, you could look into a data recovery service if it's really important (and consider getting a spindal of DVDs and burning important stuff to dvd next time)

Clicking sounds would point to a mechanical failier of the disks, not good (maybe a bad batch)
RMA them :)

EDIT: might want to consider a raid array that adds redundancy next time, granted you'll lose total capasity but you'll be able to save the data if one of them dies.

Even DVD discs can have problems. I back up to a WD external HD and onto DVD too.

With hard drive sizes the way they are I'm struggling to see why anyone wouldn't backup at the moment, but to be fair that would be of limited to use to Mr. Planet if his 2nd drive (which would presumably be a backup if he used your system) is dying too. It does sound like a bad batch though, as Samsung are very highly regarded. Then again so were Seagate before the 7200.10 series.

It might not fix your problem Mr. Planet (I just can't bring myself to calling you 'neon'), but if you've a USB external enclosure try sticking your dead drive in that and getting off any data you can (onto one of the other potentially dying drives if necessary). I can't think of a drive failure I've seen where my IcyBox won't torture it into letting me have the data, so it's worth a shot. That said, I think most of the failures I've dealt with have been controller issues more than the mechanical one it sounds like you're having. Certainly more than worth a go though.

Incidentally this week I had my first ever Western Digital drive failure. In systems I regularly use I've got 6 Raptors, 2 40gb, a 160gb, a 250gb, 4 320gb data drives, 2 500gb, a 750gb drive and lord knows how many drives in other systems at work, all without a problem, but a colleague brought a system in with a WD 80gb drive with bad sectors earlier this week. All recoverable, but still, this is a first for me.

One trick to get data off a Hard drive is stick it in a bag (anti-stactic it came in ;) ) and leave it in the fridge over night.

Sometimes they'll start working again, However if they do be warned that you'll only get roughly 20min of use out of it before it dies again.

Although it does really depend what has killed it in the first place, I've got an IDE HD that somehow got the MFT (master file table) corrupted after a reformat it worked fine and still is.

EDIT:However the clicking sound does point to mechanical failier not data corruption.

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Originally Posted by staffsMike

It depends how much the data is worth to you. Most recovery services are around £30 to £50 but they normally tell you if the data is salvagable for free :) after that get it replaced under warranty and sell it if you don't want it.

There are some tools to do this stuff yourself out there but I don't know what to recommend or how much it will cost. Maybe free maybe useless.

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Where you find £30 to £50 as I have a clicking Hitachi 500G that need recovery...

thats why both my 500gig SP drives are in RAID 1

That's based on a old contact I used to work with (not in touch i'm affraid)

And a local company in stafford that advertise at our univeristy.. But I don't have the contact details to hand.

The big boys obviously charge a lot more.. I think its low hundreds.

I read in another thread that sometimes the SATA interface on some disks, dies. Not the actual disk itself. If thats the case with your disks, you might be able to recover the data if you can access them some other way, like putting them in an external drive enclosure and connecting it via USB. If you did that, just check that you buy an external drive enclosure that supports sata (assuming your disks are SATA), because most of the external encolosures support IDE as far as I know. Also, there is no guarantee it will work.. so you will have to weight up the cost of that, against just speaking to a data recovery company, if you really want the data.

As for the Samsung disks, I think all disks are capable of being dodgy. Samsung's are usually really good. Maxtors are widely recognised as not being good, and I found that out myself when I bought one several years ago. It's hotter than the centre of the sun. I then researched Western Digi, and saw billions of people with issues with those disks. So I bought Seagate, and since then I keep seeing more and more people having trouble with those too.

So its probably just luck. Gotta keep your fingers crossed you get a good disk, and the best you can do is make sure you keep important stuff backed up. And as dodgy as all these manufacturers are, one of my Maxtor disks is still running after several years, and I have a 10gig IBM disk which is probably around 12 years old now.. still going strong.

My 2 year old ones (well about 2 years) got a clicking sound...normally from overheating when the fan in my cm stacker failed

IF it runs use the utils Samsung provide on their site, then arrange an RMA through Rexo, they do have a good service, about a week turnaround and couriered back to you

That does seem unusual for a samsung drive, I've had several and they've all been very good

As the guys have said 'try the freezer trick' ,won't do any harm. I've got a couple of 'spinpoints' which i've never tried yet , better get them out of the static bags and test them I suppose. Data recovery can be very expensive that why it is vitally important to do regular back ups to CD/DVD's or something similar. Can't say i'm a great fan of throwing all the data onto 500 plus drives as back up, prefer back up's to cd's always making at least a couple.

It's not the data/power cables to the drives or the PSU itself is it?

A couple of years ago I had a crappy cheap PSU, it kept breaking hard drives (either that, or I was very unlucky), I went through about 5 Western Digital 200-320GB HDDs in just under a year. They just wouldn't boot, and half the time wouldn't even register in BIOS, and they were clicking quite a bit.

Anyway, I tried the freezer thing with them, I put them in anti-static bags, then wrapped those in cling film and put them in a plastic box, which was left in the freezer overnight, it was the first time I had tried it so I was a bit paranoid. But it worked nicely, they lasted about an hour before Windows started to give errors, which was enough time to transfer all the files I needed over to another drive.

The 30 40 quid recovery is normally undeleting files pcb swaps. If the
platters need to be transplanted then it jumps to a a few hundred quid.

Have you tried swapping the pcb off the barely working one to the dead one?

Just a thought - but I have experienced that clicking from portable enclosures when the USB port has been unable to supply enough power. Samsung drives do have a good reputation (I have 8 kicking around in various systems), but no matter how good, there is always the chance of a bad one - however the odds of you getting two are really quite small. It may be that your PSU is giving up - not giving sufficiebnt power on the 12 volt rails (which power the platter motor and the head seek mechanism - the clicking could be the head loading - the power drain pulling down the 12 volt rail - so the head unloads - 12 volt rail voltage increases - head loads - 12 volt rail drops.... etc)

SATA drive power connectors are hard to get at, unless you have molex to SATA converters. If you have, it may be worth sticking a voltmeter across the 12 volt line and measuring it. Failing that, try substituting another PSU.

I dont think it would be my psu as it is an Enermex liberty 620watt. Not something i would call cheap and ive never had any problems with it in the past. I will try after work tomorrow connecting it to different power leads etc. I guess i could just be getting really bad luck but it has put me right of samsung drives, as 2 months to me is terrible lol. Western Digital have always served me well. Its just getting the money to buy 1.5tb of drives to hold all my data and then another 1.5 TB to raid it :P

Not cheap. I will buy an icybox enclosure and see if that helps.

Neon

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Originally Posted by neonplanet40

IIts just getting the money to buy 1.5tb of drives to hold all my data and then another 1.5 TB to raid it :P

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RAID-5? then you only need 2TB of storage (assuming 500GB disks)

Sorry i dont know much about raid. I thought you got say 3 1TB drives and when you raided them you would only actually have 1.5TB as the other 1.5tb would be a mirror of your existing files. 2 TB is still expensive! :P

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Originally Posted by neonplanet40

Sorry i dont know much about raid. I thought you got say 3 1TB drives and when you raided them you would only actually have 1.5TB as the other 1.5tb would be a mirror of your existing files. 2 TB is still expensive! :P

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It's still quite expensive. Basically, RAID is just a group of cheap(ish) disks that are designed to help save data - but they are not a replacement for regular backups. To make it easier to understands the different 'setups' of raids are giving different classifications:

Raid0
Raid1
Raid10
Raid5

and probably loads more I don't know about.

With 2 hard disks, you can backup the data by mirroring, so you write the same data to two drives.

However, if you have three or more disks, you can use raid5 methods: it splits the data across say 3 hard drives, adds up the bits (1s and 0s) from say the first 3 disks, if it's odd it will write a 0 to the 4th disk and if even it will write a 1. (or something to that effect) Therefore the data can be rebuilt from a raid5 array even if one drive dies.

They all have advantages and disadvantages, it's worth checking out wikipedia for a brief overview.

So which Raid do you think would be best for me? Also do any of the icybox enclosers do sata and ide? Or is it just one or the other?

Thanks

Mark

I have 4 of these drives in my system - purchased as a result of the Custom PC Labs test, and they have been running fine for many months, and am using Intel matrix RAID.

Samsung drives have a great reputation. I have also used them in two other systems built for friends, again using Intel matrix RAID.

Unless there is a faulty batch... it it strange to get multiple failures. I hope you get this resolved... maybe there is some testing SCAN can do, or even Samsung - I am sure they would not want an issue like this to cloud their rep?

AKASA do a SATA/IDE enclosure (and there is an Esata connector on the back if you are using SATA drives)

Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK

If it is backup you are after - no version of RAID is suitable for you. If you have RAID, any filesystem corruption will be mirrored on both (or across all) drives and you still have single point of failure. Far better is to use the second drive as an offline backup store - You can clone the system drive periodically - then if the system drive fails, you can swap it for the cloned drive and be up an run ning again with the configuration you had at the time of the last cloning.

Don't get me wrong - if it is camputer up time that is important to you (a server perhaps) then RAID 1 or 5 might be suitable - but RAID is NOT a substitute for backup! (Just for the avoidance of doubt - if you are running a RAID system - you still need to take off-line backups - unless ypou don't care about losing stuff!)

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Originally Posted by neonplanet40

So which Raid do you think would be best for me?

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What are you using it for? What are your needs? (Read speed, write speed, reliability, resilience?)

Icy Box External Enclosure IB-360AStUS SATA + USB Combo - Black/LED

I got this enclosure? Hope its ok.

Basically i just want reliability from raid. I want it so that if one of my drives fail then i still have all my data. Also this would save me having to backup myself every now and again because when cloning, it is all done there and then in real time.

Neon

Either way. Backing up 1.3TB of storage isnt going to be cheap. So i think dvd's is out of the question. I dont have the will power to backup on hundreds of disks :P

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Originally Posted by neonplanet40

Icy Box External Enclosure IB-360AStUS SATA + USB Combo - Black/LED

I got this enclosure? Hope its ok.

Basically i just want reliability from raid. I want it so that if one of my drives fail then i still have all my data. Also this would save me having to backup myself every now and again because when cloning, it is all done there and then in real time.

Neon

Either way. Backing up 1.3TB of storage isnt going to be cheap. So i think dvd's is out of the question. I dont have the will power to backup on hundreds of disks :P

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You can easily do it under 200 quids with 3x500GB drives :)

Ahh i still dont get this! lol. Never used raid before.

However as far as i can see it im going to have a lot of hard drives. The reason i was going to get 750-1tb drives was so it would take up less space in case. I want to keep it as empty as possible.

So if i was to get this Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK

I could use it to hold most of my hard drives couldnt i? (well 4 anyway)

Yes that would hold your drives, you would need four SATA cables leaving your PC to connect it up though.

The reason arthurleung suggested 3x 500GB disks was for backing up your data, not as a RAID array

But do you NEED raid - to repeat _It is NOT a replacement for backups_

Far better to have two drives (same size) one as an active system drive - the other one in a caddy and only on line when you do backups - that way it isn't in constant use (and therefore suffereing wear and tear) but will be an exact copy of your system lfrom the last time you backed it up! Even if you have RAID 1 or 5 - you will still need some form of backup in case the raid array becomes corrupted - RAID won't protect against that!

SO your saying that i can just turn one on every now and then and it will automatically backup whatever is on the disk from the last time it was on? Is this a form of raid?

I also think i would need more than 2 disks as i have 1.3-4 TB to backup.

Neon

PS - Thanks for the help guys and sorry for the noob questions.

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RAID won't protect against that!

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Yes it will.

RAID 1+0

Ok what now? Lol

For RAID 1+0 don't you need four times the storage capacity of the data your trying to protect, ie for one 500GB disk, you'd need four 500GB disks?

I think if you're after live-uptime then for the price, 3x500gb HDDs in raid5 will give you 1tb to play with. Then anything important (for me, I backup 30gb of un-losable documents and so on - I have loads more films etc. but it would be too costly to backup) backup to an external drive.

I'm still looking for the best software to do this, I was using ms windows copy which was ok but isn't brilliant at knowing what is new or not, so I have tonnes of copies of the same files. Apparently xcopy script does it quite nicely, but it's whether I can be bothered with the ins and outs. I have no doubt there is a freeware or cheap program out there that you can turn on, set up, then you just need need to click a big 'backup' button.

Raid1 for backups will not protect you against your PSU blowing up and taking out all your hard disks. It won't protect you against the raid card failing and corrupting your drives in a striped set up i.e. raid0, raid5, raid10. It's there for basic redundancy. I do use a raid set up for increased performance though.

In it's normal use, it's for something like a server that does regular daily backups. In that time though, if you're have lots of sensitive and important data coming in and out, and then there's a fault on a hard disk - you could lose all the data from that day. Not to mention the time required for restoring a backup. Whereas with raid1 or raid5, it would pop up an alert to the sys admin saying a drive has failed, and he could then go and replace it probably with a hot-swap rackmount taking him 2 minutes :p, which would then start to mirror itself automatically again.

Having said that, with the price of an external hard disk, how can you not afford to backup your cherished holiday pics, your contacts, your summaritive assignment and so on? I know if I lost photos accumulated on my hard disk from the last 3 years of my girlfriend and my relationship my life expectancy would get much shorter much quicker :)

£50 (Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK) for life insurance? Bargain :D

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Originally Posted by GSte

For RAID 1+0 don't you need four times the storage capacity of the data your trying to protect, ie for one 500GB disk, you'd need four 500GB disks?

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No you just need twice... Its like mirroring a striped Raid 0 array

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Yes it will.

RAID 1+0

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It won't protect against a controller failure, memory failure that corrupts the file system, or a power supply failure that destroys the disks. If corrupt data is written to a RAID array - it will be stored as 'correct' corrupt data. RAID only protects against drive failure. To the OS, the RAID array is a block device - how the data is stored across it is irrelevant to it)

Offline backups aren't automatic, how you do it is up to you. You could connect an external drive and do a bit by bit clone of the whole system, or you could use the windows backup utility and do full, differential and incremental backups. It will still need some time on your part. How far you want to go, how much time you are prepared to take depends on the the value you put on the data, the time taken to reconfigure the system in the event of a catastrophic failure and how much risk you are prepared to take.

As a worst case - your PSU fails and takes out the mobo, disk drives and processor. A clone of the system pretty much allows you to get up an running again easily. Buy new hardware, insert the cloned disk and thats it - no system re-installs or reconfiguration. Alternatively you may think that the system can be re-installed, so you could partition th esystem drive into two or three partitions, say one for system, one for applications, and one for user data - and just back up the user data partition - the frequency depends on how quickly the data changes.

But the decision comes down to you - the value to place on your stuff, the risks you are prepared to accept and the time you are prepared to spend getting your system back.

To illustrate my point - I run a web server with a RAID 1 array (mirroring) and I backed up 'sometimes' on the basis that hard drives are the most likely point of failure and hey - I had RAID. A Few weels ago I started noticing file system errors (its a Linux based system with an ext3 journalling file system) So I ran the fix disk utilities, and got all sorts of errors - until I ran it on the system disk and the system just crashed - and would not reload. The boot partition was OK, but after the intial sequence I just got a no system disk message. After a bit of investigation I found that the memory had failed and the corrupted memory had crashed the system, and (I thought) corrupted the disks. Actually, the kernel had crashed, and deactivated the logical volumes, and after investigating some data recovery firms (lowest quotes about £300 - £450, highest in the low thousands) I worked out what had happened and managed to reactivate the logical volumes and then repair the corrupted file system (lucky I was using a journalling FS). Although the webserver was up and running again after a week, it took another couple of weeks to get everything back as I wanted it.

Had I had a cloned system disk I could have been up and running within hours, and up to date with an incremental backup. I now have a tape drive as my backup store - my insurance policy which cost about the same as the low end data recovery specialist. With tape I can achieve the same thing in a more convenient (for me) format.

You may not need to go to such extremes - but if something unexpected can go wrong with a system - at some point it will!

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Originally Posted by SiM

No you just need twice... Its like mirroring a striped Raid 0 array

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Ah right.....

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Originally Posted by peterb

You may not need to go to such extremes - but if something unexpected can go wrong with a system - at some point it will!

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:yes:

A RAID does not protect against any of the following:
- small children
- beer
- small animals
- large animals
- the effects of beer
- family members trying to use your computer ("I thought typing sudo rm -rf / gave me internets :()
- meteor strikes

I would recommend a good software package to manage backups but don't know any :(

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Originally Posted by GSte

For RAID 1+0 don't you need four times the storage capacity of the data your trying to protect, ie for one 500GB disk, you'd need four 500GB disks?

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You need a minimum of four drives, but in usable space, you get half the total capacity. i.e. four 500GB drives gives you 1TB.

The difference is in resilience, performance and rebuild time.

But you need to be very careful to be sure exactly what is meant when someone talks about RAID 0+1 or 1+0 because different people (and manufacturers) use the terms differently. The most common convention is that 0+1 means stripe then mirror, and 1+0 mean mirror then stripe.

Think of it this way. You have eight drives. What happens when you 0+1 and 1+0?

RAID 0 + 1 = stripe then mirror. Take half the drives (four), stripe data across them, then create a single mirror of that stripe. You have have a four-disk stripe, that's mirrored. Lose any disk in a stripe and you lose the stripe.


RAID 1 + 0 = mirror then stripe. Take a pair of drives, and create a mirror. Then take the next pair and mirror them, then the next and then the last. You now have four pairs of drives, four mirrors. Now, write a stripe across the first drive in each pair, which, of course, then gets mirrored.


Now think about failures. RAID 0 can't cope with losing any of the drives in that stripe. So under 0+1, if a drive fails, that entire stripe (four drives) fails, and you're left with the other stripe (of four drives). If another drive then fails in the other stripe of four, you've lost the entire array.

With 1 + 0, you have four mirrored pairs, and you need both drives in a single mirror to fail to take the lot down. Suppose the first drive in the first mirror fails - you've lost a drive, and some resilience. But you only lose the entire array if the next drive to fail is the other drive in that mirror. If you lose a second drive, you still have the array provided it's not the mirror of the drive that failed.

Both 0+1 and 1+0 can lose a single drive without losing the array. You know have 7 drives left running. If you lose ANY of the drives in the other stripe (i.e. 4 out of the 7 drives) you lose the entire array. But with 1+0, you'll only lose the array if the next drive to fail is the mirror of the dead drive (i.e. 1 specific drive out of the 7).

But it's worth noting that in EITHER case, a second drive failure might lose you everything on the array. This is why RAID is aimed at resilience (uptime) and sometimes performance, and is not so much a good alternative to a backup as a good supplement to one.

Of course, you can reduce the risk of data loss even further if you combine the parity capabilities of RAID 3, 5 with mirroring. With RAID 51, you can lose at least 3 and up to 5 drives from that 8 disk array without losing the entire array. It's extremely resilient, but the price you pay is it's inefficient capacity-wise. If that 8 drive array was 500GB drives, you'd get 1.5TB from your 4TB of drives.


This is not a complete account of benefits or drawbacks, and I've barely touched on performance benefits or rebuild scenarios - just the basic structures.

Oh, and one more point - I've talked about multiple drive failures in the above post. Bear in mind that those failures can happen VERY quickly. A PSU failure could nail several drives simultaneously. Don't assume you'll necessarily have time to replace a drive and rebuild before the second drive fails. You might have weeks or months between drive failures ..... or milliseconds.

I did have such a PSU failure that cooked ALL the drives in a machine. So, perhaps you could then start thinking about iSCSI to get round that. ;) :D

To be honest i will be looking it back up my files in case of a DRIVE failure. Not currupt data. Seeing as the only problem ive seemed to have in 4 years is a drive failure, it is all im worried about at the minute. So what would be best for this? Just cloning?

My psu did blow a year ago but luckily it was a quality psu (im using another one of them now ie. enermex liberty) it only took itself out and saved every single bit of my hardware.

Mark

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Originally Posted by Saracen

You need a minimum of four drives, but in usable space, you get half the total capacity. i.e. four 500GB drives gives you 1TB.

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Thanks for all the info. Personally I'm not interested in RAID on any of my systems for some of the reasons you've outlined, plus the complexity of the thing, Acronis for me all the way!:mrgreen:

I have 2 spinpoints no problems at all with them fast and quite, just bought a third from scan.Hope it wasnt a faulty batch!

I back up documents to a pen drive.

If your disk still spins up then you can more than likely recover the data.

It wont spin as it just clicks. I tried it in the new icy box enclosure i bought and it still wont work. So i am RMAing it today.

The other drive i got is making the odd click but its still working however it isnt inspiring much faith in the third drive i have just got last week. Think i will buy a completly different brand and sell all these spinpoints..

Neon!

Catch me on msn sometime or pm me, when they are back here i will do my best to get data off for you if i can

We did used to pwn noobs on cs after all

LEt me know anyway what u need and ill try and sort it

Cheers man

Pands i thought i had to send it back to Sasmsung becuase i have had it for 8 weeks?

Ty for the help though. You could get me a discount on all the new drives i will be buying? :P

Also what do i do with the one that is clicking every now and then but is still working? Do i have to keep it till it dies?

Neon

Heya neon.

If you get speedfan, check the SMART data. If it looks like something is pretty poor (see the worst column, the lower the worse, I think they start at 255) then it might be up for an RMA. But I'd consult with the scan guys first.

That speedfan says the drives in perfect condition. So does that mean its fine? :S Even though its clicking the odd time like the broken one :P

I still can't get away from the possibility that there is a power supply issue somewhere at the back of this... did you try different power leads or a different psu? Can you try it in a caddy with its own power supply?

Its not the psu. Like i said above, i tried it in an icybox enclosure which has its own psu etc and it still never worked. It be dead as a dodo :(

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Originally Posted by neonplanet40

Its not the psu. Like i said above, i tried it in an icybox enclosure which has its own psu etc and it still never worked. It be dead as a dodo :(

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i'm thinking once you plugged the hd's into that psu it buggers them so hence it wont work in an icy box. or did you put a new samsung drive in the enclosure and it didnt work? i'd also like to see how wd's cope if you get them. 3 samsungs failing is quite rare and I'm guessing it might be the psu.

dude, sorry about last nite, had to rush off to preston

PM me if u need to, i wont be at home till saturday now :/

Depending on your data storage/change patterns and your internet connection, something like Mozy might be a useful solution for backups.....

You only value your data once its gone :(

These are good, I have a few of them:
Thecus 2050
if you set them to RAID1 (mirror) the drives can be read in a PC without problems if you need to.

Same thing happened when i ordered my new PC from scan, one hard drive was faulty. RMA with scan was a real painful process, they tested it and said the drive was fine, even though it was making a very prominent clicking noise, and the array it was part of had failed twice in succession. It took more than 6 weeks before i got my money back. :surprised:

I replaced it with a identical drive from Overclockers and not had one problem with the array since and no clicking noises.

To add insult to injury the 'technical expert' on the phone tried to tell me that the reason it would not work in RAID 0 was because they were not RE HDD's.

:stupid:

I realize that sometimes items can arrive damaged, it can't be helped, but the way Scan Customer Services dealt with the RMA was appalling. Especially seeing i had just spent close to 1k with them.

And the worst part, because they were unable to find fault with this HDD some other unlucky customer will no doubt be getting the very same HDD, clicks an all..

Needless to say scan lost a good customer with that transaction.

hdd's are the most painful thing that will hurt u the most if it fails. i dotn care if my mobo, cpu, ram mess up but my hdd? lol i would cry in tears man