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    stupid question

    this may sound really pathetic to all you lot familiar with modifying your computers etc and replacing parts. But, i am wondering what card to go with my new pc (spec is below as recommended by another user)
    Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 iP35 Socket 775 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard 136363 24 in stock £56.82 £56.82 maybe an asus P5KC ???

    Samsung SpinPoint HD501LJ 500GB SATAII Hard Drive 16MB Cache - OEM 130454 50 in stock £51.00 £51.00

    Corsair VX450WUK 450W PSU 131052 14 in stock £38.17 £38.17

    Antec NSK4000 Super Mini-Tower Case Black/Silver - No PSU 112660 123 in stock £25.52 £25.52

    Optiarc AD-7191S 20X DVD±RW/DL/RAM LightScribe Serial ATA Black Bare Drive - OEM 136070 72 in stock £16.76 £16.76

    Corsair 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 675MHz/PC2-5400 XMS Memory Non-ECC Unbuffered CL4(4-4-4-12) Heat Spreader Lifetime Warranty 098708 133 in stock £22.98 £22.98

    Hanspree CY199DP TFT Monitor 19" 700:1 250cd/m2 Silver/Black DVI 138535 446 in stock £86.80 £86.80

    Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 2.20GHz Socket 775 800FSB 2MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor 130486 329 in stock £63.77 £63.77

    Zotac 8800GT 512mb GDDR3 Dual DVI PCI-E Graphics Card £152.66 £152.66
    VAT:£90.07
    Total: £604.55

    the main reason for this is because of the graphics card... after doing some research on the game with my friends who play it i have found that the game is played in dx9. so the thought that sprang to mind was "do i need the 8800gt after all ???" so after having a look around on some retailers i came across a selection of nvidia's dx9 cards in scan. i then had a look in further detail and ended up with me looking at the 8600's series of cards. Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK thus coming to the question mentioned above. is it better for me to spend a little less money and get the 512mb gainward 8600GTS bliss or the 512mb msi 8600GTS diamond plus????? or maybe even scrap that and get an 8800gt after all....
    Please help me
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    Re: stupid question

    Which game is it? But anyway 8600s are pathetic.

    The Optiarc is not very good. Pay the extra couple of quid and get the Samsung SH203.

    I'd go ABit for the mobo, but ymmv.

    Are you going to OC?

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    Re: stupid question

    no overclock...
    the game is rfactor
    also what is so bad about the 8600's as for the price they look pretty good

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    Re: stupid question

    Regarding the 8600 range, if they existed in a void, or indeed in 2003, then they would indeed in themselves be fine cards. Unfortunately, they exist in 2007 and amongst competition, and are relatively poor in comparison.
    Check out any number of reviews, eg:

    Sapphire HD 3850 Review » Page 6 - Benchmark: F.E.A.R. - Overclockers Club
    ATI Radeon HD 3850 - Review - Tech.co.uk

    I would most strongly advocate an ATi 3850 instead of an nVidia 8600 (of any type), as they are a similar price bracket but the 3850's would give 2 - 3 times the graphics power.
    Try this one:
    Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK

    Edit: Sorry, i just followed your link above to the £140 512MB 8600GTS. I was going to say that at £100, the 8600GTS is bad value for money. For £140 it really, honestly, is shockingly bad value.
    Here is further proof between the 2 cards. Hope this helps!
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    Re: stupid question

    For a DX9 game you don't need a DX10 card. So if you're a bit strapped for cash buy a lastgen card, maybe an X1950Pro. Scratch that advice, I see the 3850 is somewhat faster and around the same cost.

    If you are not going to OC then the C2D E4500 isn't particularly good value. You'd probably be better off going with an AM2.

    I'd suggest getting an AM2, and investing in a better monitor. Maybe something like this: Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK. I reckon that would give a better overall experience.
    Last edited by Thorsson; 19-12-2007 at 12:56 AM.

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    Re: stupid question

    people are lauding the 3850 at the moment. and i have a feeling that the 7.12 drivers will get more out of it as well. in that price range it should be the only card you consider
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    Re: stupid question

    Quote Originally Posted by MadduckUK View Post
    people are lauding the 3850 at the moment. and i have a feeling that the 7.12 drivers will get more out of it as well. in that price range it should be the only card you consider
    certainly should, seems to be a corker for the money. AMD got something right eh

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    Re: stupid question

    +1 on the 3850 best card around for the cash.

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    Re: stupid question

    Yeah words don't express how impressed I've been with mine.

    I bought an X1950XT for £170 in January and this £105 card consistantly bests it, I'm currently working my way through Bioshock maxed out at 1680x1050 (stunning ) so it's more than enough for 1440x900.

    EDIT: Why no overclock?!

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    Re: stupid question

    Another vote against the expensive 8600GTS, but I have an 8600GT for under 60 quid delivered and in that price range they become sensible.

    I got it partly to prove that my 7900GT was the failing part of my PC and partly as a cheap stop-gap whilst I wait for the 7900 to come back from warranty repair/replace (my guess is it could take a while). Honestly, it feels much the same to me just with a quieter fan. Depends heavily on what sort of game you are playing though, the 8600 likes shader heavy games more than old fill-rate limited ones.

    As per usual it really comes down to how much money you want to spend.

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    Re: stupid question

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorsson View Post
    For a DX9 game you don't need a DX10 card. So if you're a bit strapped for cash buy a lastgen card, maybe an X1950Pro. Scratch that advice, I see the 3850 is somewhat faster and around the same cost.

    If you are not going to OC then the C2D E4500 isn't particularly good value. You'd probably be better off going with an AM2.

    I'd suggest getting an AM2, and investing in a better monitor. Maybe something like this: Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK. I reckon that would give a better overall experience.
    what sort of am2???? also as to tohers why no overclock. its because i mainly have the computer knowledge fo a brick. also how much would the am2 and card come together at price wise? also that would mean new cpu cooler and motherboard.... any recommendations on that then?

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    Re: stupid question

    Well at the price of the E4500 you can get the 2.6Ghz 5000+ black edition. This has an unlocked multiplier so overclocking is as simple as changing one number. I've got one and all i've done is change the multiplier running 3.0Ghz no problem.

    It stays incredibly cool at that clock as well with my scythe ninja.

    The OEM 6000+ (3.0Ghz) can be had for the same sort of money.

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    Re: stupid question

    well overclocking is a bit too daring for me... but if all went ahead and i contacted one fo you could you maybe quide me through what to do step by step...
    also is there any decent motherboards that can be had for around £80

    *edit*
    i will most likely buy the 2.6ghz black edition and overclock it with some help when found also depending on price combined with the graphics card and motherboard (if a decent ones at a good price)

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    Re: stupid question

    Great thing about the Black edition having the unlocked multiplier is that you don't need an amazing overclocking board. Just the ability to change the multiplier. I personally use this
    Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK

    So it certainly won't break the bank.

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    Re: stupid question

    Quote Originally Posted by iknownothing View Post
    well overclocking is a bit too daring for me... but if all went ahead and i contacted one fo you could you maybe quide me through what to do step by step...
    Overclocking is really quite easy aslong as you learn a bit and take things nice and slowly.

    Clunk's guide to overclocking C2D is a sticky on these forums - http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-hardwa...beginners.html
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    Re: stupid question

    Quote Originally Posted by iknownothing View Post
    well overclocking is a bit too daring for me...
    it used to be, but now lots of bios have overclocking functions...all you have to do is to read about it more and get some good hardware (if new build) and that's it

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