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    need help, building a new rig

    So far this is what i have put together,

    Case - Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

    Hard drive - Fujitsu MAX3036NP 36.7GB 15,000 RPM SCSI Ultra320 68pin Hard Drive

    Video card - EVGA 768-P2-N835-A3 GeForce 8800GTX Superclocked 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card

    Power supply - Thermaltake W0106RU Complies with ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V version 700W Power Supply

    Motherboard - ABIT IP35 Pro LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard

    Cpu - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600

    I havent picked out ram or drives yet and i have no clue what ram to choose anyways i was wondering if you guyz could help me out with that i was also wondering if all these parts are compatible and or if u would recommend or change anything on my list? thankz

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    Quote Originally Posted by Siccness View Post
    Hard drive - Fujitsu MAX3036NP 36.7GB 15,000 RPM SCSI Ultra320 68pin Hard Drive
    I don't think you have a clue about this thing do you....

    Better to get the 8800GT then the 8800GTX.

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    Honestly no lol im new to all this learning as i go what would u recommend?

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    I'm going to agree with the previous reply of choose an 8800gt and that choice of memory.

    As far as drives go, the Samsung Spinpoint T166 HD501LJ is a little over £60 and is 500gb and is very nippy. It's a bargain.

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    Take a look at the spec recorded in "My System", it's not the "best" there is out there but it works well at 1680x1050 resolution.

    Most of the suggestions people will make saying anything different comes down to personal preferences (e.g. Samsung over Seagate, Geil over Corsair etc).

    The only sticking point would be graphics card, the 8800GTX *is* better than the 8800GT, especially if you play at 1900x1200 or higher resolutions. However, the question then comes down to "is it £100 better for me, in my situation"

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    Surely the real question is whether the 8800GTX is worth it compared to the G92 512Mb 8800GTS?

    That SCSI drive is too small and would require a separate controller. Definitely only for those with money to burn as you would need about 5 of them for even everyday usage. I would recommend one of the new 500Gb Seagates (7200.11), because they are good value for drives with 32Mb cache.

    PSU - Thermaltake is not a good make. Most of us would recommend one of the Corsair Modulars, HX520 or HX620. The 520 would be enough as I can verify. If you needed/wanted more power then the Enermax Infiniti is excellent.

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive?

    What about this one, would this be good for gaming. Is there a big difference with hard drives having 7200rpm`s and 32mb cache? I noticed there wasnt a 10,000rpm hard drive with over 16 mb cache that i could find and whats better something serial ata 150 or the sata 3.0`s im just lookin for the best hard drive that is at a reasonable price and is good for gaming i don`t need high GB

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorsson View Post
    PSU - Thermaltake is not a good make. Most of us would recommend one of the Corsair Modulars, HX520 or HX620. The 520 would be enough as I can verify. If you needed/wanted more power then the Enermax Infiniti is excellent.
    The one listed is a Toughpower model which are very good from Thermaltake but if you can get a Corsair or Seasonic for the same price one of them would be better.

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    As has been mentioned, not that Hard drive, the reason is that it's SCSI.
    SCSI is a differnt type of connector/system, mainly used on servers.
    To use a SCSI drive on that mother board you'd need a seperate SCSI controller card.
    What you want to look for is a SATA hard drive, I'd sudgest 250gb as a good size.

    As for graphics card it depends what resolution you are planning to play games at, if you're not planning to play any games then a graphics card is of little importance.

    Power supply, that thermaltake toughpower is a good PSU but it really depends on the price.

    I think the real questions we have to ask here are
    What is this pc going to be used for?
    How much are you looking to spend?
    Do you need to add a monitor to the system?

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    Quote Originally Posted by Siccness View Post
    Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive?
    Well, the 500GB Seagate I got has worked fine for me, I've not noticed any particular loading delays (baring a strange Vista related issue), and I don't think I'd ever want to spend another £80 on a 150GB raptor.

    To be perfectly honest, unless you pick something from the previous generation, you'll get good performance and reliabilty from most HDD on the market. Samsung tend to be quieter, Seagate tend to have better warrenty and Western Digital just tend to be popular

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    Well this pc is going to be used for strictly gaming for games such as counterstrike, crysis and bf 2. I`m looking to build something i wont have to upgrade for awhile and something that is direct 10 and vista ready so if i wanted to upgrade to vista i can. I`m willing to spend 1,200 to 2,000 without a monitor since i can always get that later but when i do decide to get one i plan on getting a 22-24 inch one so that will play a role in what graphics card i should get because of the higher resolutions id use when i do get one so im thinking the 8800 gtx would be the best bet? As u wanna get the highest fps u can? And as in a hard drive to get i asked about the 10,000 rpm ones are those better for gaming? since things are looked up faster wouldnt that make game play better and make things load faster? and i read that new games coming out are going to be more quad core based utilizing all 4 cores so the quad core would probably be my best bet? As in my motherboard from research and reading these forums it seems that most people recommend the abit ip35 pro because of its many features for the price. i choose the nine hundred case because of how its set up and its air flow. and ram someone recommended the 2GB (2x1GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC2-6400 (800), 240 Pins, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 4-4-4-12 would u recommend anything else for gaming? for a psu someone recommended the corsair ones and i liked the hx 620? later down the road i may upgrade and i dont want to worry if i have enough power to hold what i get u know? so maybe i should get something with more power? i also want to get a good sound card and idk whats good so yea and the drives ill worry about that later since i can use the ones i already got but yea i think that covers it all if forgot anything let me know i been drinkn some so yea forgive me if its hard to understand me but i really appricate the help guyz! thankz

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    Due to the way pc components are now built, (going green if you will) power requirements are becomming less of an issue. As long as you have a decent power supplu such as, seasonic (which is who make the corsair HX), enermax etc.. and around 500 - 600w you will be fine for the forseable future imo.

    Hard drive wise i really wouldn't bother with a Raptor. They are noisey (seriously) and the gains are only very slight and will only affect loading times in games (and only by a small amount) Stick with a 500GB Drive I Prefer western digital over samsung for hard drives. The AAKS is a fantastic drive.

    Corsair RAM is fine. Nothing special but certainly not bad.
    Personally I use this in all of my machines and builds I do.
    GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) PC2-6400C4 800MHz Ultra Low Latency DDR2 Dual Channel Kit (GX22GB6400UDC)
    Don't let the price fool you it's very good stuff.

    22" and 24" are somewhat different ball games when it comes to graphics cards. 22" is not problem for any of the mid - high end cards where 24" due to the resolution increase is more difficult.

    The two cards you want to look at are the 8800GTX as you say which are getting really cheap now as it's going to be replaced soon and the new new 512mb GTS.
    Both are very capable at high resolutions and when overclocked the GTS is perhaps slightly better in some games. (But the GTX can be overclocked to of course)
    That said as the GTX is going to be replaced it may be an idea to hold out for it's replacement.

    CPU wise. They are also due a refresh albeit not until the end of Q1 now. So if you can't wait the Q6600 is the best buy imo. Get a decent aftermarket cooler for it like the thermalright ultima 90, 120 Extreme or the Scythe Ninja/ Infinity and it will overclock nicely up into the 3.0Ghz+ region.

    The IP-35pro is fine.

    And I would get the antec P182 not the 900 if it were my money.

    Don't spend much more than £1000 on the base unit. You will be burning money if you go much passed that as it won't make a noticable difference to performance. If you have £2000 to spend on it just save the second £1000 for the next one

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    In the case of the case, P182 is for low noise, 900 is for cooling (but be sure to get some fan filters). So it does depend on what's most important to you. I suspect that the 900 better suits the OP.

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    Is the 900 better for cooling though?

    P182 has the PSU in a seperate chamber as well as the hard drives.

    It also leaves the option of direct graphics cooling from the end of the upper hard drive cage. I would say it's better for noise and cooling but maybe i'm wrong.

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    Quote Originally Posted by staffsMike View Post
    Is the 900 better for cooling though?

    P182 has the PSU in a seperate chamber as well as the hard drives.

    It also leaves the option of direct graphics cooling from the end of the upper hard drive cage. I would say it's better for noise and cooling but maybe i'm wrong.
    In theory, yes the 900 is slightly better.

    While the PSU is in a seperate chamber a PSU is still designed to suck air out of the case and as both have the PSU at the bottom which means it sould be sucking in slightly cooler air from the bottom of the case.

    However the main advantages of the 900 is the larger fan at the top and a side pannel fan to blow air from outside stright over tha graphics card.
    I seem to remember that the 900 can also have a fan at the back of one of the cages like the p182.

    I'd agree with most of every else staffsMike has said.

    At this exact moment in time with a £1000 budget I'd look at this:
    CPU = Q6600
    Cooler = Something large and good (thermalright ultra120extream, scythe ninja, thermaltake Big thypoon, or others)
    Motherboard (p35 based chipset) = Abit IP-35 Pro
    Memory = 2x1gb DDR2 PC6400 4-4-4-12 timeings = Corsair XMS2, GeIL, Crucial Ballistix, or others
    (hard to beat the price on that GeIL though)
    Hard drive = 2x250gb (in RAID 0)
    (I'd still not bother to go as high as 500gb if you're not going to have a giant DVD collection on your PC)
    DVD/CD = DVDr/w SATA
    PSU = something decent approx 500w (don't really need to go much higher without SLi/Crossfire) Corasir HX 520w is good for the price.
    Graphics card = 8800GTS 512mb (g92) or 8800GTX (if cheap)

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    Re: need help, building a new rig

    I've seen tests which showed that the 900 is pretty much in a league of its own as far as cooling is concerned. I'd still prefer the 182 myself, but I don't think there's any doubt that the 900 is cooler.

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