Prescott not looking very impressive..

[Grey M@a]

I wouldnt rely on PCI Express becoming the standard this early on. Remember when AGP appeared and PCI was still knocking around for a fair few years for the FX market. I reckon PCI Express will take a few years to becme the norm and for AGP to fizzle out.

[Oxide]

Ok, I need to start a new thread.

Lots of people will be reviewing these things and are clueless to the L1 cache problem on a lof of boards including the IC7 MAX3.

With the L1 no present the chip are crippled and I picture lots of AMD fans taking advantage of that to bench against AMD rigs to make them look good because the general public does not know how to look at the missing L1 cache and know the diff.

I have pointed this out many times on the forum, missing L1 cache hurts performance bad. I have been working with Abit on the IC7 Max3 problem and the best they can do is remove Prescott from the supported list...

That is from the following thread as linked below, fugger has had a prescott to review for weeks now and has hinted that it runs just under 5Ghz iwhtout problems. I think you lot are in for a shock.

His intense review will be on xtremesystems at noon on sunday which is when the secrecy thingy is lifted

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&pagenumber=3

[gamezfreak]

I doubt the Prescott will be that good anyway.

AMD have won this round, definatly.

[malfunction]

Ok, I need to start a new thread.

Lots of people will be reviewing these things and are clueless to the L1 cache problem on a lof of boards including the IC7 MAX3.

With the L1 no present the chip are crippled and I picture lots of AMD fans taking advantage of that to bench against AMD rigs to make them look good because the general public does not know how to look at the missing L1 cache and know the diff.

I have pointed this out many times on the forum, missing L1 cache hurts performance bad. I have been working with Abit on the IC7 Max3 problem and the best they can do is remove Prescott from the supported list...

That is from the following thread as linked below, fugger has had a prescott to review for weeks now and has hinted that it runs just under 5Ghz iwhtout problems. I think you lot are in for a shock.

His intense review will be on xtremesystems at noon on sunday which is when the secrecy thingy is lifted

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&pagenumber=3

If it turns out to be true I will of course apologise but I reckon that's (at best) a BIOS issue with that motherboard.

[Oxide]

GO read the full thread mate, its isnt just that motherboard its a lot of them!

[malfunction]

GO read the full thread mate, its isnt just that motherboard its a lot of them!

I have read the thread - both earlier and again just now to see the updates. Basically to me it sounds like some boards that have been claimed to be prescott compatible are incompatible... The Asus boards are quoted as detecting the cache but having a problem elsewhere (but then if these guys are going for massive overclocks then they'll be problems anyway - prescott needs more power than northwood at the same speed). The Abit and DFI boards are said not to detect it or disable it by various people... Sounds a bit contradictory / confused... Hardly conclusive. Still - we should know more Sunday / Monday. Before then it's best not to trumpet either way eh?

Easiest thing to quote from that thread is:

I am not sure if the problem can be fixed in bios or [if] it is a chipset problem

[Swafe]

tbh...AMD have been pwnin for a while, and from this looks like its goin to get better

presscotts suck......amd64s own......no chance this time intel...no chance..

[malfunction]

I wouldnt rely on PCI Express becoming the standard this early on. Remember when AGP appeared and PCI was still knocking around for a fair few years for the FX market. I reckon PCI Express will take a few years to becme the norm and for AGP to fizzle out.

A bit of interesting reading on the AGP Vs PCI Express thing:

http://www.anandtech.com/chipsets/showdoc.html?i=1953

Nothing confirmed at the moment but it looks like Intel are going to try and push at least one major change through sooner rather than later... But then Super Socket 7 mobos hung around for a long time and AFAIK Intel never made any of those either.

(And yes - for anyone reading and noticing the time of posting I really don't have anything to do tonight... )

[marc_ellis]

You have to remember that the Prescott is using longer pipelines or something, but as its being built on a 90nm process it will have much better yields than the Northwood core. I seem to remember the first p4s being slower than P3s of the same clock speed. Its going to take a while to get things sorted. They have to start somewhere.