£450 box spec me up:)

[directhex]

ah well lol am sure am not going to be the only person doing it xD

you're not the only one, but that doesn't make it valid

home users are meant to buy retail OSes - be they full or upgrade. the OEM license system is largely there as assistance to small companies and home builders (big companies have their own board-locked windows versions), but is heavily abused

if something isn't worth using under the proposed terms, it isn't worth using at all, since it's all part of the same package. if you don't agree with the license terms under which windows was sold to you, then you should have returned it. you don't go to the shops and pay for a bottle of cava, then walk out with a bottle of bollinger, insisting it's fine, everyone does it, and it's better than them not being paid at all.

[cougarslam]

you're not the only one, but that doesn't make it valid

home users are meant to buy retail OSes - be they full or upgrade. the OEM license system is largely there as assistance to small companies and home builders (big companies have their own board-locked windows versions), but is heavily abused

if something isn't worth using under the proposed terms, it isn't worth using at all, since it's all part of the same package. if you don't agree with the license terms under which windows was sold to you, then you should have returned it. you don't go to the shops and pay for a bottle of cava, then walk out with a bottle of bollinger, insisting it's fine, everyone does it, and it's better than them not being paid at all.

Do you work for microsoft?

why should you buy a new license when you are just switching components?

[staffsMike]

afaik he's using all the old parts anyway so it will only be installed on one pc by the sounds of it..therefore all he need do is report the old motherboard dead if they enquire.

[directhex]

Do you work for microsoft?

why should you buy a new license when you are just switching components?

because you paid a lower price for a more limited license. if you wanted the "full" features such as transferrability, then you should have bought the "full" version. simple, no?

and no, i don't work for microsoft, quite the opposite - but one thing you'll often find is that open-source advocates believe in licensing terms just as strongly (if not moreso) as microsoft. open-source software is presented under certain terms, and if someone violates those terms (e.g. by integrating open-source code in proprietary products when the license forbids it) then that's theft. i wouldn't want my code stolen, and i don't see why microsoft don't deserve the same respect.

afaik he's using all the old parts anyway so it will only be installed on one pc by the sounds of it..therefore all he need do is report the old motherboard dead if they enquire.

it's still lying though - and the "hardware failure" clause specifically relates to direct replacement. saying a c2d system "directly replaces" a socket a system is bollocks, and if you're already lying about yoru licensing obligations, why not just use pirate windows and not bother with steps like activation or wga or updates?

[staffsMike]

I respect that but you could also claim like for like in terms of price.. not that it's a valid reason of course but direct replacements might be hard to find

I don't actually use OEM licences but would you in all honestly buy a new copy of software you already own when upgrading your PC? (when you won't be using in on the old one)

[directhex]

I don't actually use OEM licences but would you in all honestly buy a new copy of software you already own when upgrading your PC? (when you won't be using in on the old one)

yes. if i had bought software at a lower price that said "may only be used on one pc", i'd stick with that. i rarely do, but given i only upgrade my motherboard once every 3 years or so, oem windows is still cheaper for me than retail

[staffsMike]

Well if the time should ever come where I am tested in such a way.. I hope I can be as honest as you lol

[keef247]

can we stfu about windows licenses that has nothing to do with my thread and you guys moan about people changing the subject jesus.
can a mod delete back to when it was relevant cheers.
or move them to a new debate thread about oems?we have all heard this so many times it should be self explanitory by now *yawn*

so anyway its looking like this:

Your Basket
QTY Price (ea) Ex VAT Total Inc VAT Remove
LN20707
Intel Core 2 Quad-Core Q6600 G0 SLACR, 95W, S775, 2.40 GHz, 1066MHz FSB, 8MB Cache, OEM £133.99 £157.44
Abit IP-35, iP35 Express, S 775, PCI-E (x16), DDR2 533/667/800, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX £53.99 £63.44
1 LN18913 Abit IP-35, Dark Raider, iP35 Express, S 775, PCI-E (x16), DDR2 533/667/800, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX
LN20949
512MB PowerColor HD 3850 PCI-E2.0 1800MHz GDDR3, GPU 720MHz, 320Streams DVI/S-Video HDCP Pro Cooling £99.99 £117.49
LN11596
2GB (2x1GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC2-6400 (800), 240 Pins, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 5-5-5-12 £28.99 £34.06
LN17252
500 GB Western Digital WD5000AAKS Caviar SE16, SATA II, 7200 rpm, 16MB Cache, 8.9 ms £54.49 £64.03
LN12286
Scythe Ninja Plus Rev B Fanless HeatPipe Cooler S775/S478/S754/S939/940 c/w 120mm Quiet Fan £24.49 £28.78



Net Total £395.94

Carriage £5.95

V.A.T. £70.33

TOTAL £472.22

then free delivery via hexus right and it will stay at 472.22 yeah? if so I'm made up

oh and I'll get that HD monitor the month after possibly with a new case as i expect my crappy chieftec has had its time?
its a dragon dx01 and i dunno it was cool when i first fitted a 120-80mm adapter with a nice fan i'd get 37-46-55C max load on a highly overclocked xp-m and now it ends up with 52-48s... so maybe its just in need of a de-dusting?

oh and what'd you reckon to this Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK

[directhex]

we're talking about licenses because unless you have retail boxed windows you can re-use, or plan on using only a free operating system like linux, you need one. so your £450 needs to include one. unless you're planning on just stealing windows, of course

[keef247]

I posted a thread for what I asked for which was a spec of a PC NOT a windows budget. AS I mentioned I already have the rest hence why specifically asking for certain hardware.if I'd of needed a new windows license I would of mentioned in in the spec's budget.jesus christ every time someone does a thread like this someone always has to bring this up. I'm tired of seeing this spam through threads. WE KNOW about licenses... IF we don't we'll make a seperate thread in the appropriate section of the forums.
someone needs to make a bloody sticky for it... cause this is beyond a joke.

if I wanted to enquire about licences it would of been included in the structure of my post. It wasn't so stop mentioning subjects I don't need answers to.
and for the record yes I'm probably going to hold out for the nvida so i can use ubuntu again. so yes linux aswell.
so can we put this continous oem arguement that bloats every software/hardware thread and get back on task.PLEASE.thankyou

[directhex]

I posted a thread for what I asked for which was a spec of a PC NOT a windows budget. AS I mentioned I already have the rest hence why specifically asking for certain hardware.if I'd of needed a new windows license I would of mentioned in in the spec's budget.jesus christ every time someone does a thread like this someone always has to bring this up. I'm tired of seeing this spam through threads. WE KNOW about licenses... IF we don't we'll make a seperate thread in the appropriate section of the forums.
someone needs to make a bloody sticky for it... cause this is beyond a joke.

if I wanted to enquire about licences it would of been included in the structure of my post. It wasn't so stop mentioning subjects I don't need answers to.
and for the record yes I'm probably going to hold out for the nvida so i can use ubuntu again. so yes linux aswell.
so can we put this continous oem arguement that bloats every software/hardware thread and get back on task.PLEASE.thankyou

cougarslam, Disturbedguy, and staffsMike didn't know. most people don't (or pretend not to). if you're asking for someone to spec you a machine, it's reasonable to assume that machine needs an OS - and in most cases, that means the cost of windows. however, as you so eloquently state you don't intend to get a new windows license, i'll exclude that from my suggestions.

since you want to re-use so many components, you're pretty well placed to get a monster system for the money. as far as i can work out, you only want 5 things: cpu, gfx, mobo, cooler. leave the monitor for another day - rather than getting a cheapo one, save up for a real beauty. you won't regret it.

for example:
abit ip-35 (£77.54)
corsair pc2-6400 4gib twinx kit (£70.37)
msi 8800gt oc 512mib (£169.19)
intel core2 duo 3ghz e8400 (£129.50)
akasa ak-965 cooler (£11.74)

that would make it £458.34 shipped

yes, some of the ram will be wasted with your 32-bit xp. don't worry about it, when you upgrade os later on you're already set with 4 gig, and it's the best way to maximise the ram in windows. plus, you'd only save 30 quid by halving it

most of the "ati is better for hd" stuff you hear is mostly hot air - the geforce will be much faster for games, actually work with linux, and with a cpu that fast, minor differences in cpu consumption under windows when using an appropriate codec won't matter

[staffsMike]

Getting a bit heated in here

Your spec looks good.

To clear up the ATi is better for HD stuff..

ATi allows audio over HDMI which I don't believe the nvidia cards do.

ATi also has hardware decoding for HD at the bottom end of the price scale (around £50) where the nvidia were/are software driven on anything below the 8600GTS.

So back up to the middle of the range.

The only cards Nvidia have to compete with the HD3850 on price/performance are

The 8600GTS who no one in their right mind would buy.
The 8800GT 256mb which is shown to underperform when compared with the HD3850 in reviews I have read. It also has very limited cooling options from manafacturers.
The newer 8800GS which is unproven as it stands..it may be better it may not.

[SiM]

Ati's UVD also supports another HD video type afaik (VC-1 I think)

[directhex]

nvidia hd decoding capabilities

and keef says he wants to run linux, so ati is right out

[keef247]

cheers for the input guys.

directhex I'm glad we cleared it up cause like you said I didn't specify windows license required in my budget so i didn't need it.thats why i got so angry.cause I'm fully aware of what I'd have to do if I run windows and what the licence aggreements are and the terms and conditions of use.
I shoulda put that really so sorry for being rude I just get so annoyed cause I've seen this so many times.
Fair enough though they weren't aware but a link to the conditions would of sufficed and back on track etc?

but yer ubuntu would be niiice
probably will run windows aswell for games so I'll bare it in mind what I'll need to do license wise...

oh and don't you think I'm better off with a quadcore overclocked directhex?

[directhex]

oh and don't you think I'm better off with a quadcore overclocked directhex?

depends on your apps. intel's quad core design has some limitations

that and i couldn't fit a quad core into the budget!

when trying to spec things, i generally assume 0% clockability, because there's no *guarantee* you can get any extra clocks out. for your extra £30, you'd be looking at losing 600mhz (20%), with no *guarantee* that you could claw it back with overclocking. if your apps are mostly single-threaded (and generally they are for desktop apps) then a dual core gives you a fast cpu with a "spare" for background tasks like virus scanning or whatever - if your apps are mainly single-threaded, quad core has a lot of "leftover" cores, which i'm not convinced about yet