matx E8200 overclocking

[siuron]

Hi all,

i've decided to get a E8200(2.66) since the 65nm overclocks well, this 45nm version should be a bit better?

my budget is £175.

e8200 boxed is £115 (ebuyer inc delivery), £114 (scan and if i get free shipping).

planning to get arctic cooling freezer 7 pro which is £15 (ebuyer)
unless there's a cheaper and better alternative?

i will be using 2 x 1GB OCZ platinum XTC 800mhz CL4 RAM

so i've got about £45 to spend on a motherboard..

it needs to meet the following requirements:
micro atx board
be able to overclock (looking to o/c to 3.6ghz. so i guess a board that can handle 460FSB?)

I was adviced that
Abit I-N73HD (nforce 630i) is the closest to it (£49@ebuyer)
Gigabyte GA-73PVM-S2H is another one (£48@ebuyer)
Is there any other boards?

here's an interesting link showing e8200 2.66@4.5ghz+ on a g33m-ds2r matx board
E8200 doing 600x8 on air with 1.488V - XtremeSystems Forums

Thanks in advance

[Hunain]

Yeah, but that OC on xtremesystems is at 1.488V which is high for a 65nm CPU let alone the more "delicate" 45nm ones, I wouldnt want to overclock it that far on those voltages though...so dont get your hopes very high.

As for a matx board, ive got ASUS P5K-VM, its an matx board, Im on 428Mhz FSB, I have tested it as far as 457Mhz FSB, It was going further, I stopped cautiously, not limited otherwise, Ive seen some reviews hitting 470FSB as well, great motherboard Id say.

[iranu]

I don't think a 45nm chip is going to last long with 1.488V through it whether it's on air, water, phase change, liquid nitrogen or liquid helium. These chips are a different kettle of fish to the 65nm chips so watch your volts because many people, certainly with E8400, have started to see performance drop off and even dead cpu's after a few weeks with voltages above 1.4V. I wouldn't get too carried away because they seem to have gotten exceptional chips. Their E8200 @4Ghz on 1.26875V is making me a bit sick though.

Incidentally the G33M-DS2R is retailing for £65 at a number of places. Scan, Ebuyer, Micro Direct and Aria. I think you would be better off spending the extra £15-20 over those other two boards.

Have you thought about spending more money on a higher quality board and dropping to a cheaper 65nm chip or even a second hand one?

[siuron]

thx for the reply

i noticed that the p5k-vm uses G33 chipset too.

would it be fair to say any G33 chipset will be ok?
because i notice there's a Gigabyte GA-G33M-S2 which is £55

Gigabyte GA-G33M-S2L £58
p5k-vm is £60
Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R £65

out of all of them i only know that the G33m-DS2R has a lots of features for overclocking

[siuron]

just saw your post iranu.

whats the benefits of going 65nm?
yes its cheaper so i can get a better board = better o/c

but 45nm should run cooler? and o/c better?

[Webby]

*Reads post on XS forums and wonders how far he can push his E6550... only at 400MHz FSB (on a G33m-DS2R) oh and stock volts

Anyway as to why 65nm is better, in the most part anything past 3GHz is not really going to show you much gain in games for example, they are almost always GPU rather than CPU limited. The 65nm chips will on the whole easily get to 3GHz and seem to have better voltage stability as Iranu says people who are running high voltages on the 45nm chips are burning them out in a few weeks/months not a very sound investment especially if you can't afford to replace it!

In theory the 45nm process should be cooler but since they packed on more cache I'm not sure if the overall TDP has dropped at all.

[Andy3536]

The 45nm seem to be running a little hotter, A freind has the E8400 and it runs 8 degrees hotter than my E6850 using the same cooler and both @stock speeds.
A bigger cooler might be wanted too if your wanting to do overclock a reasonable amount.

[Hunain]

thx for the reply

i noticed that the p5k-vm uses G33 chipset too.

would it be fair to say any G33 chipset will be ok?
because i notice there's a Gigabyte GA-G33M-S2 which is £55

Gigabyte GA-G33M-S2L £58
p5k-vm is £60
Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R £65

out of all of them i only know that the G33m-DS2R has a lots of features for overclocking

The P5K-VM has alot of features too, plus as I mentioned in the first post, dont get your hopes high with a 45nm CPU, get a 65nm if you can.

[staffsMike]

How about going for an E6660. The lower FSB will allow much easier overclocking. 3.0GHz before you go passed the motherboards native FSB.

[Webby]

On a similar slant to Mike, have you considered the E7200 45nm, cheap, 9.5x multiplier so at 400MHz FSB (800MHz RAM not OC) will be running at 3.8GHz and will run at 3.16GHz on a 1333 FSB motherboard with no memory or motherboard OC.

Could be a good option!

[Cistron]

On a similar slant to Mike, have you considered the E7200 45nm, cheap, 9.5x multiplier so at 400MHz FSB (800MHz RAM not OC) will be running at 3.8GHz and will run at 3.16GHz on a 1333 FSB motherboard with no memory or motherboard OC.

Could be a good option!

And where do you the E7000 series, have they actually been released yet? Typo?

[Webby]

Just noticed that they are pre-order on Scan, So who knows when they will be available!

Still worth considering if you can find out when they will be available.

[Blitzen]

i've decided to get a E8200(2.66) since the 65nm overclocks well, this 45nm version should be a bit better?

If you want to kill it fast then yes.

[Hunain]

If you want to kill it fast then yes.

Should he get it, and then kill it, so we can say, "we told ya" ?

[Cistron]

Just noticed that they are pre-order on Scan, So who knows when they will be available!

Still worth considering if you can find out when they will be available.

Ah, yes. Still too expensive though. If this is the equivalent of the E4000s to the E6000s then this is way overpriced, considering that a E8200 with double the L2C goes for a mere tenner more.

[Webby]

It will still have 3MB of L2 cache which is 1MB more than the E4 chips and 1MB than the E6.

The £18 difference makes the E8200 18.5% more expensive that is not an inconsiderable amount especially when you can get a E8300 for £3 more than an E8200 a mere 2.6% increase, problem is where do you stop the is always something a bit better for a bit more money!

The main advantage for the E7200 will be its higher multiplier which will allow for higher clock speed at lower FSB, and the question is how important is that extra 3MB of cache?