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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Snake007uk View Post
    I have had good experiance with Tagan, when i did once think i had an issue even though i did not have a reciept or box, they said just send it back we will replace it
    Like i said, that new range they have bought out do look very very good.

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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    wow that ram is amazingly good value. I bought 2GB of it a few months ago and its great!

    Im with Blitzen (to some degree) on the psu. The enermax ones do seem to be really good on paper although not had experience or read reviews so cant comment first hand.
    I dont understand your problem with RMAing back to scan though, you get the exact same end result as you would if you did RMA it back to corsair and scans customer service is top (as far as my experiences go)

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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    wow that ram is amazingly good value. I bought 2GB of it a few months ago and its great!

    Im with Blitzen (to some degree) on the psu. The enermax ones do seem to be really good on paper although not had experience or read reviews so cant comment first hand.
    I dont understand your problem with RMAing back to scan though, you get the exact same end result as you would if you did RMA it back to corsair and scans customer service is top (as far as my experiences go)
    I dont think you would get the same results with RMA.
    If its directly to manufacturer is far quicker for starters.

    The manufacturers usually are more capable of dealing with RMA as opposed to the etailers aswell. If the manufacturer has seen the problem before then they know how to deal with it promptly.

    I have RMA'd things in my time and i have always got better service from the manufacturer than the etailer.

    Logitech and Viewsonic to name two. Both were far superior to the etailer both in swiftness of repsonse and the resolution.

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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    ok so far I have got the following


    Intel Q6600
    OCZ 8GB (4x2GB) PC2-6400C5 800MHz Quad Channel Platinum Low Latency XTC series DDR2

    Abit IX38 QuadGT Intel X38 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard


    Thermaltake BigTyp 120 VX CPU Cooler (Hexus gave this the number one spot!)
    Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10000RPM
    Tagan TG900-U88 900w BZ-Series Modular PSU
    Asus HD3870 GDDR4 (This is temp until june/july when some new more powerful graphics card come out
    Antec Nine Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case

    only one other issue company of heros and there NAT bloody prob

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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    Q6600 is a good start but I wouldn't bother with the big typhoon. I've heard that the X38 chipset get's hot enough as it is without getting all your cpu's heat blown against it.

    Check out the thermalright ultra 120 extreme if you want the best cooler, or the Scythe ninja, infinty if you want a decent one for a bit less money.

    In fact, I wouldn't bother going with the X38 board at all. Why not save yourself £70 and get an Abit IP-35 dark raider. There is no need to get the X38 that I can see. PCIe 2.0 means pretty much nothing, especially at the moment. 1600MHz means nothing to the Q6600 which will overclock quite happily on the IP-35.

    Then if you want to upgrade the CPU later you will have £70 from your motherboard budget to spend on the next midrange board which will almost certainly be better than the X38 ever will be. Overclockers like to waste your money

    I'm not really seeing the point of the Raptor.. doesn't really bring much to your PC other than Noise and slightly quicker loading times in games.

    900W powersupply.. I havn't read your replies yet but seriously.. for what?

    Even the most rediculous graphics card won't require that. Power usage in general is on the way down not up. 500 - 600 will probably be the more than you will ever need now.

    8GB of RAM seems a bit extreme but if you need it you need it.

    The rest is fine

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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzen View Post
    I dont think you would get the same results with RMA.
    If its directly to manufacturer is far quicker for starters.

    The manufacturers usually are more capable of dealing with RMA as opposed to the etailers aswell. If the manufacturer has seen the problem before then they know how to deal with it promptly.

    I have RMA'd things in my time and i have always got better service from the manufacturer than the etailer.

    Logitech and Viewsonic to name two. Both were far superior to the etailer both in swiftness of repsonse and the resolution.
    Iv taken things into scan and had them replaced on the spot without even testing.

    I remember when a gigabyte motherboard had a dodgy bios and i sent it back to microdirect, i had the replacement back within a week.

    From my personal experience it has been no different what so ever but i guess everyone has different experiences

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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    StaffMike,

    The thermalright ultra 120 extreme requires me to add on a fan myself, dont want that headache.

    Power supply I like tagans from day 1, never had any issues, well built work solidly. Yes you are correct in saying I probably wont need over 600W, however 900W doesnt mean I will be using 900w constantly if ever, it just means, I wont put power supply under any massive load

    Saving £70 on a board now and then getting another board and chip? dont make sense to me, I could just sell the chip and just have to worry about replacing that not the board (plus the hassle of taking the board out etc..)

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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    The fans are unbelievably easy to fit, if you are going to be putting together an entire pc then putting the fan on a heatsink is the least of your worries, its just a simple metal clip that hooks round the fan and onto the heatsink.

    The point about the PSU is that you wont even put a 620w psu through enough strain for it to cause a problem, even in the future with future systems, they are becoming more efficient as they become more powerful. Unless you plan on running an insane SLI system with tonnes of hard drives you simply will not need so much power. It just seems like such an unnecessary waste of money and electricity.

    As for the motherboard, if i had the money i probs would have gotten the best motherboard i could afford at the time and then skimped on the CPU so i agree with Blitzen with the X38 chipset over P35, especially if u ar a regular upgrader.
    Last edited by Biscuit; 24-03-2008 at 07:42 PM.

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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    ok I take your point about the power supply

    The most I would be running is either 2 * 8800GT or 2 * 3870XT (or the newer version of them)

    how about these power supplies:

    Coolermaster Real Power 620w Modular Power Supply
    Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU (CMPSU-620HXUK)
    Enermax Infiniti 650W EIN650AWT ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU
    Seasonic M12 Modular 700W Silent ATX2.0 Power Supply
    Zalman ZM750-HP Heatpipe Cooled 750W Modular PSU

    There is not much in the coolermaster or the corsair but all of these sit around the £110 mark, which would you recommend?

    Could they cover me for a crossfire/SLI setup just incase?

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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    Any of those power supplies would be a good solution I would like to point out though, if yu are serously considering a dual GPU solution then it may be wise to consider your motherboard selection carefully. The one you have chosen there is a crossfire mobo which can only run AMD graphics cards in crossfire, it WILL NOT be able to do SLI. Similarly any N-Force motherboard will not be able to run Crossfire, only SLI.

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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    From another thread but thought the information was quite relevant so...

    Quote Originally Posted by D.M View Post
    lol, I can laugh now!

    2x fautly abit IX38 Quad GT's
    3x faulty Gigabyte X38-DQ6's (Ive just remember its 5 faulty mobos!)

    2x faulty Tagan BZ900w PSUs (the new one with LED lights on the locking connectors, 3rd one is being shipped to me for Wednesday delivery, so it may be 3? just have to wait and see )

    1x faulty BFG 8800GTS!

    Phew!

    Oh and I forgot my 1st delivery of my Cosmos case was also damaged so I guess that counts as another fault! (ebuyer were fantastic on the RMA though so no biggy)
    Reasons to avoid the tagen and possibly the quad GT

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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    The point about the motherboard is. There is little difference in compatability in the IP-35 and X38. Nothing to do with changing you chip.. you will have to change both boards whatever chip you get after next year as they are changing the socket.

    So assume you get the Ip-35 and save £70 (Put that in a little motherboard jar)

    In 2 or 3 years time both motherboards will be obselete and both will have served you in much the same way.

    Both will be worth next to nothing...especially as the X38 has already been replaced by the x48 due it being pretty naff in most reviews I read (where the Abit Ip-35 pro actually managed higher overclocks with better chipset temps).

    My way you have £70 waiting there for the new one.. your way.. you dont

    Your choice but if you don't know why you want the X38 over the IP-35 then I wouldn't bother wasting your money

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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    Quote Originally Posted by staffsMike View Post
    The point about the motherboard is. There is little difference in compatability in the IP-35 and X38. Nothing to do with changing you chip.. you will have to change both boards whatever chip you get after next year as they are changing the socket.

    So assume you get the Ip-35 and save £70 (Put that in a little motherboard jar)

    In 2 or 3 years time both motherboards will be obselete and both will have served you in much the same way.

    Both will be worth next to nothing...especially as the X38 has already been replaced by the x48 due it being pretty naff in most reviews I read (where the Abit Ip-35 pro actually managed higher overclocks with better chipset temps).

    My way you have £70 waiting there for the new one.. your way.. you dont

    Your choice but if you don't know why you want the X38 over the IP-35 then I wouldn't bother wasting your money

    I can see your reasoning but i think its wrong.

    I had an AW9D-MAX a while ago. I still sold that for £80 second hand as it was still seen by many as an Enthusiast board.

    The X38 is exactly the same. THe IP35 is similar but the X38 is great and performs so well.
    The IP35's are two a penny and worth little now second hand. In 6 months time you wont even be able to give them away.
    The X38 however will still hold an entusiasts value in 8-12 months time and a large proprtion of the money spent origianlly will be regained.

    I actually bought an IP35 for my new build and sold it here as brand new straight away. I saw the X38 and it looked, felt and acted like an expensive enthusiast board. The IP35 was 'just there' and didn't do it for me at all.

    There is no doubt the IP35 would be sufficient for the job. Its just dreary.

    To say the X38 is 'naff' is ridiculous. Its a great board. I have hit 3.4ghz on mine with the Q6600 without a volt increase. Does the IP35? Is that naff?
    You are just making these comments without having any first hand knowledge of the board fella and thats a bit wrong tbh.
    The QuadGT performs every bit aswwell as the IP35. If it didnt i wouldve got rid of it by now.

    The IP35 is decent, but its the budget version of the QuadGT in my eyes.

    BTW....there is virtually no difference between the X38 and X48.

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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    Yep the dark raider can do 3.4GHz without any increases. My mates PRO did 3.8Ghz on a q6600 without changing anything but the CPU volts.

    My point about the X38 is what do you get over the IP-35 which is less than half the price? £60 is a throw away price (if you have to) where £135 for the X38 seems stupid when you wont see any benefits.
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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    Quote Originally Posted by staffsMike View Post
    Yep the dark raider can do 3.4GHz without any increases. My mates PRO did 3.8Ghz on a q6600 without changing anything but the CPU volts.

    My point about the X38 is what do you get over the IP-35 which is less than half the price? £60 is a throw away price (if you have to) where £135 for the X38 seems stupid when you wont see any benefits.
    I cant understand why you are having a pop when i bought a new board that i like and know performs well. I just didnt want a budget board. If i paid £135 for it and wasnt happy i would say.

    As i said, its going to be a board i can use, then get most of the cash back for.

    The IP35-Pro is less value than the QuadGT in my eyes. I saw it and sold it.

    I bought a flagship board from ABIT because i didnt want to just follow the flow of everyone else and get another en-mass board. I like buying things a little different from the norm. I work hard and dont mind spending the extra to get that.

    Not everyone wants an IP35/Corsair PSU/Geil Ram/3850. They are the mainstream. They work and thats good but would rather spend my hard earned on something i am going to enjoy rather than on something everyone else has got.
    The X38 does everything the IP35 does and although its not always obvious, it does a little more aswell.

    On the last note, you say that the X38 is being superseeded by the X48 <<<------True. But im not going to have to buy a new board to run a 1600FSB CPU though.
    The IP35 struggled to even get a bios update for wolfdale that worked. EOL is just around the corner for the IP35 remember and its never going to be able to do anymore than it does now.
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    Re: New System Please Advise on spec

    Our very own Clunk had this to say

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    Lol, not everyone wants a high quality, great value, well supported PC? Are you suuuuure?

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