E4500 equivalents?

I'm buying myself a computer, and before I buy it, I want to know if I can save money by swapping over to AMD.

The mobo I would get remains at about the same price, so I wanted to know if there is a cheaper equivalent to E4500... or if you could get a processor for the same amount of money that's better.

I'm buying from misco (not scan... mainly because I'm not buying this through my credit card, but someone else's, and they refuse to use anything but misco at the moment) so anything you suggest has to be available there.

From what I've found out, the performance of the AMD 4400 is approximately equivalent to the E4500, whilst being about £30-40 cheaper. Is this right?


Processor has to be 64 bit and Vista Compatible.

Well on scan.. the 5000+ black edition is around £60 but you would need an aftermaket HSF as it doesn't come with one.
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition AM2 processor - Misco.co.uk

Is there going to be overclocking or will this be run stock? The 5000+ is 2.6GHz but has an unlocked multiplier so it can easily be ran at 3.0GHz.

Genereally speaking you need a slightly faster clocked AMD to match Intels performance.

You could look out for second hand e6600s. I bought one with a AC7 for £75 recently and I've seen them as low as £60 on these forums.

staffsMike - it will be stock run... until I can be bothered to sit down for a few hours and OC it... and until I can be bothered to find myself a nice HSF, some nice fans, a couple of other things and possibly an extra £50 to spend on a better case.


dodgybob - I did think about getting something second hand, but I've had bad experiences with second hand things, and I've found it's quicker just to get it from the suppliers.



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Just looked at the black edition. Does it have any other bonuses on top of the normal edition other than OC benefits?

It's £0.01 more expensive than the £4500 for black edition, but £9.99 cheaper for the normal edition.

Is the extra £10 worth it?

Well i have the fortune to have both the 5000+ BE and an E6600 and at 3.0GHz there is little difference between the two in the tasks I give them. 5000+ with a even a semi decent cooler will fun nice and cool due to it's brisbane core :) If you can sway this person to scan you would get both the HSF and CPU for around £75.

The new Phenom :p :innocent:

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The new Phenom :p :innocent:

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:laugh: now now, don't kick them while they're down

The new Phenom? Erm? £150?


Seroiusly.. I'm not spending that much on a CPU :P

Gigabyte GA-M61SME-S2L socket AM2 motherboard - Misco.co.uk

this mobo will support a 5000+ right?

yep can't see why not.

I use this one myself
Asus M2A-VM Socket AM2 motherboard - Misco.co.uk

The Hyper Transport Link Speed for the 5000+ is 2000 that board appears to only support 1000 so while it will run it will not be at its optimum.

Also you do realise that the processor is £25 cheaper on Scan (for the black edition)... work on the credit card owner make then see sense!

although misco says mine is to, scan says 2000MHZ :)

Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK

staffsMike, quick question--- I have a am2 x2 4600 lying about, would that Asus M2A-VM give me a reasonable overclock ?, sorry for the highjack.

You could try and get a second hand E4300 and overclock the hell out of it, they'll easily do 3Ghz+

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staffsMike, quick question--- I have a am2 x2 4600 lying about, would that Asus M2A-VM give me a reasonable overclock ?, sorry for the highjack.

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No idea to be honest. It has some of the features you would want to do it, but whether it does it well or not I couldn't tell you. I just bumped the multi on my 5000+ :embarrassed:

review here: techPowerUp :: ASUS M2A-VM Review :: Page 18 / 19 (goes stright to overclocking page)

The VM models typically have some OC functionality, the MX are more limited, or at least on the S939 ranges this held true.

Download the manual for it and check the options it states available for tuning, sometimes Asus give good detail, tho some of them were poor or innaccurate.

As a heads up, the Asus M2N-X I tried gave up at 7% OC, anything over that isnt stable, tried with 3 cpu :( Whereas the M2N8-VMSE was a cracker and gave a full 50% stable OC on a 1.9 brisbane. (max 300 bus available)

*throws things at off-topic people*


getting back on-topic, kicking the hijackers overboard and basically trying to get back to the point:

Are these right?

Intel E4500 = AMD 5000+
Intel E4500 cost > AMD 5000+ cost
Intel E4500 overall < AMD 5000+ overall

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*throws things at off-topic people*


getting back on-topic, kicking the hijackers overboard and basically trying to get back to the point:

Are these right?

Intel E4500 = AMD 5000+ - Give or take
Intel E4500 cost > AMD 5000+ cost Yep
Intel E4500 overall < AMD 5000+ overall - How have you worked that out?

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The motherboards for AMD should be cheaper I would think.

I did completly miss the point, sorry

I won't even bother commenting on that last post.
Actually.. I will...

Trading in on performance? This ENTIRE thread is about what is the EQUIVALENT in performance to an E4500....

Which seems to be a 5000+... common opinion, give or take. 5000+ costs less than the E4500. The AMD mobos cost less than the Intel ones.

Therefore: E4500 gets pwned by 5000+.

Only downside is probably OCing, but I'm not normally bothered about OCing, due to - like second hand stuff - bad experiences with it... like it managing to blow up the last computer I had to the point where I was unable to do anything to it (it burnt out... no heat detectors on my last CPU (it was like... 5 years old) so it just kept on running till smoke came outta the back and it ruined the circuitry or something.)

I probably would OC at some point, but only when I've got the time to spend and the money to spare on parts that get damaged.



Irrelevant anyway... can't seem to find a nice set of components to run with AMD 5000+ so I'm sticking with the E4500.

Seems wierd, standing up for the 5000+ then taking the E4500 anyway, but oh well... life's life!

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You could try and get a second hand E4300 and overclock the hell out of it, they'll easily do 3Ghz+

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My E4300 that I paid £39 for (including postage) runs rather well although a little warm at 3.24Ghz without any problems :)
I have also have a AM2 4600+ and even with that clocked to 2.92Ghz, it couldnt keep up with my E4300, let alone my standard clocked E6600.

I wonder what this new QX9650 will be like...

*imagines a totally OCed QX9650. Freaks out*

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My E4300 that I paid £39 for (including postage) runs rather well although a little warm at 3.24Ghz without any problems :)
I have also have a AM2 4600+ and even with that clocked to 2.92Ghz, it couldnt keep up with my E4300, let alone my standard clocked E6600.

I wonder what this new QX9650 will be like...

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These E4300's have to be the BEST BANG FOR BUCK chips EVER to go on sale.

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*imagines a totally OCed QX9650. Freaks out*

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Its just arrived or more so I've arrived home and I have the CPU :D All is to do now is to install it into my SLI'd 8800GT rig and see what separates the men from the boys :)

Of course I'm just still a kid even at 27!! :lol:

No offence meant... but if that "My system" thing isn't Out of Date then your RAM is like... the same model I'm getting on my &#163;284.17 comp :P

Surely you could go and spend another&#163;50 on it and double it? Makes it into a better toy to play with...

I was playing Black and White this morning (it's a little old, but I enjoy it) on my old P3 computer. It was originally running on 256mb RAM (hijacked out of a HP computer I got for ~&#163;15 off a friend) and was running slow, so jacked out another 128 from the HP and stuck it into my P3 computer.

It immediately started working better.... just 128mb of RAM certainly makes a huge difference to littler games, so I hate to think what it'll do to Crysis, Assassin's Creed or the other hi-spec games out there

Oblivion also springs to mind, but I've not seen a single computer yet that can run that game on highest quality (with all AA, maxed out Resolution and everything else you can do with Oblivion to improve the quality of graphics) so I doubt that a few GB of RAM will make much difference... I think it's mainly the graphic cards that are the problem, but I'm not willing to spend a couple of thousand on a computer to find out wether or not two SLIed Graphic Cards are able to run the thing on highest...

Mediaboy who are you talking too??

5000+ BE made a nice upgrade for me. Takes 1.4v to keep mine stable at 3.0GHz though. Suspect it could do more with better cooling. Guess I'm too late to influence the decision though.

you Phil...

you're RAM is now one model down from the one I'm getting (I'm getting PC-6400, yours is PC 5300)


Uriel - not really, as I'm buying the stuff either tonight or tommorrow...

I guess this roundup might be handy: Welcome to AnandTech.com [ Article: Midrange CPU Roundup: It's Time to Buy]

It has benchmarks for stock E4500 and the X2 5000+. Bear in mind that the 5000+ isn't the BE, so it runs hotter and doesn't overclock as easily. Looks like the two are very close at stock, with a slight edge to the E4500.