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    Question AMD or INTEL?

    Hey, I'm building a new PC and have become stuck on quite a mojor thing, which processor do I use? I keep getting mixed reviews and am unsure of which CPU to get out of an Athlon XP or a P4c, can anyone help advise me? Thanx u guys, u haven't let me down yet
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    Bad thread to start, *waits for the AMD vs. Intel abuse*

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    sry, all i want is the advantages n disadvantages of each chip, altho ive just realised i might have started a nice little fight :S

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    Hmmm... Depends on what you want really... For most things I'd say that it doesn't make much difference. AMD (for socket A at least) has a very clear price advantage. At the highest end I believe a highly overclocked P4 can out-pace a highly overclocked XP but you are talking about serious money to get there. On the old 'bang for buck' ratio an nForce 2 mobo + an overclocked 2500+ (barton - 512K L2 cache) are pretty hard to beat. If you rely on a particular application and that application either happens to run much faster on one platform than the other or is optimised to do so then I reckon you could just about justify one over the other... I'd be tempted to go P4 if I had the cash - mostly down to all the nice features you get with a Canterwood or Springdale mobo... But I'm all socket A here (well apart from my laptop but I didn't build that!).

    One important point though - do you care about the system becoming very obsolete very quickly? Socket 478 and Socket A won't be around forever... Neither will AGP... And even short term prices should go down soon (end of the month?)... I know this always happens in the PC world but IMO it's going to be worse than normal this year.

    Just my 2p!

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    thanx, thats exactly the kind of answer I wanted greatly appreciated.
    Thanx agen.

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    I know there was a "use the search" smiley about here somewhere...(jk)

    to answer your question, the p4 is a bit more beneficial for memory intensive tasks(i believe) though i doubt you would notice the difference. Amd seems to do mariganlly better on most games.

    It should be noted though that the difference between the 2 is negligable and i'd go for whatever you find cheap.

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    How much do you have ? what is the system going to be used for ?
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    Intel = faster clock speeds, apparently cooler chips and smaller chips

    AMD = more clock cycles per megahurt, cheaper chips, better architecture

    This is just based on chit chat not actual for definite fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeZZeR
    Intel = faster clock speeds, apparently cooler chips and smaller chips

    AMD = more clock cycles per megahurt, cheaper chips, better architecture

    This is just based on chit chat not actual for definite fact.
    lol cheaper chips cos they get made in Taiwan n china where they get cheap labour and cheap materials....Ive done my research...And im stupid dont forget.
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    AMD chips are far better, there clock speed arent as fast but...can be overclocked easily. They are also cheaper and keep lower temps.

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    AMD chips are far better, there clock speed aren’t as fast but...can be overclocked easily. They are also cheaper and keep lower temps. you can overclock them a lot without getting temps over 4oc with sufficient cooling.

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    ive got about 800 for just the tower

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    okay, now what do you want to do with it?
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    lol, erm, mainly play games, some school work, want to future proof as much as poss, as the guy im making it 4 is not too keen on upgrading

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    Well my first instinct was to tell you to stop being lazy and go do some window shopping but as I've been bored this morning:

    £800 including VAT for the base unit alone? Monitor + mouse + keyboard extra...

    Well... if it's mostly games then I'd advice on a good GFX card, CPU, mobo and RAM... You can't really future proof it - not ever but especially at the moment as there's lots of new things coming this year:

    AGP replaced by PCI express (16x)
    PCI replaced by PCI express (1x)
    DDR replaced by DDR2
    Socket A (XPs) replaced by socket 939/754 (Athlon 64s)
    Socket 478 (P4) replaced by socket T (later Prescott P4s and Tejas)
    ATX replaced by BTX (case and PSU)
    PATA IDE phased out (will we finally start to see SATA optical drives?)

    Not saying all of it will happen this year - some of it might stretch to next year - but a lot of it will...

    £800 buys a good base unit though:

    Common components:

    Case + PSU:

    (Black) Antec Sonata - £88.07 including 380W PSU @ overclockers.co.uk

    Optical drive:

    Nec 8x DVD Dual R/RW IDE BLACK Burner - £88.86 @ ebuyer.com

    FDD (if you need one!):

    Black one obviously (alps) - £5.01 @ ebuyer.com

    HDD:

    200GB 7,200 RPM SATA WD JD (8MB cache) - £116.52 @ ebuyer.com

    RAM:

    1GB PC3200 (2 x TwinMOS 512MB PC3200) - £108.10 @ komplett.co.uk

    GFX:

    ATI Radeon 9800SE AIW 128MB DDR AGP (good features, good performance and a good chance it will softmod for excellent performance) - £129.99 @ lowestonweb.com



    Base system (no CPU, mobo or HSF): £536.55



    P4 system:

    Intel Pentium 4 2.4ghz 800FSB SKT478 512kb Cache Retail Box (should overclock to 12 x 250 - 3GHz and will probably go on to higher speeds) - £127.29 @ ebuyer.com
    P4C800-E Deluxe SKT478 I875 ATX Sound Gig LAN USB 2.0 FSB800 Retail Box - £126.96 @ ebuyer.com


    XP system:

    A7N8X-E Deluxe SKTA NVNorce2ST ATX 8xAGP Giga LAN, SATA, Firewire, 6 channel Audio, USB2 Dual chan. DDR +WiFi slot (up to DDR400) - £82.17 @ ebuyer.com
    AMD ATHLON XP2500+ 333MHZ FSB 512 L2 Cache Barton CPU - OEM - £62.98 @ ebuyer.com (should overclock to 3200+ speeds and probably higher)
    Zalman CNPS 7000A-CU Flower Cooler - £36.42 @ tekheads.co.uk (you could certainly get away with a cheaper HSF but this is supposed to be very good and still very quiet (in keeping with the sonata case)

    P4 total: £254.25 + £536.55 = £790.80
    XP total: £181.57 + £536.55 = £718.12

    Only £72.68 difference if you use an OEM XP 2500+ and the Zalman HSF *BUT* if you switched the OEM 2500+ for a retail one (£64.28 @ ebuyer.com) the difference between the P4 and XP setup would be £107.80... Which would be enough to swap the 128MB 9800 SE AIW for a 256MB 9800 Pro (not an 9800 Pro AIW though)...

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