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    Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    I have just upgarded my kit to:

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    More importantly (I guess) I have made the move to Vista 64, which is new ground for me, so please forgive any dumb questions I may be asking..

    Anyway - built pc using my 2xraptors (64 stripe) Raid_0 - they seem to be much more noisy now, but thats a different story.

    Problem I have is that I can use Vista and play games. I have a few minor issues, but mainly fine. I can run 3dmark05 and get a decent(ish) score. Can't seem to install 06, but again, another story.

    But when I try to stress test - I get a lock up fairly quickly. Using Orthos - a few minutes and it goes, yet cpu temp is still no higher than 60-65. Bios doesn't shut down until 75.....

    I have to button the box. I have done no overclocking at all. I was stress testing to see stability before I even thought about that.

    Any ideas what could be casuing this?

    Many thanks

    EDIT - PS, got all my kit from SCAN after reading some things here Not sure that is at all relevant, but well...

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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    Hi Soul-edge,

    Not sure what to use so I used the motherboards software called uGuru.

    I'm afraid I could not seem to add an attachment to my post....

    The IDLE temp is about 49 which seems high to me. I ran the test again and it frooze on 62. I had to reboot. I thought I heard a beeb a few seconds before, but the software is set with high limit of 75 and it was far from that.

    Also, when I run CPU-Z my system frooze and I had to repair windows! Dont want to try that again.

    Otherwise PC seems to be working.......

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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    Thanks for the help,

    I applied the heatsink outside of the case and used a thick(ish) layer or arctic silver 5 paste.

    The heatsink is huge - its a xigmatek HDT-S1283, not the stock one. It was recommended with the cpu by SCAN. I have not made enough posts to post the link. I also read some reviews online and it comes recommended.

    It was tricky to secure to the motherboard, but all the legs clipped in ok.

    Even if the temp is high - it should not shut down until over 75 should it?

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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    eeermmmm... i guess we have the same problem bro...
    i'll check this thread of yours... maybe it can be of help also to solve my concern.
    keep the questions coming!

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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    OK - thanks for the links.

    Core Temp shows the temp of each core - and they are in the 30s, but I cant see an overall temp for the cpu in that program.

    Here are the images idle. Notice that uGuru reports that the temp is much higher than the individual core temps show at in COre Temp..... (actually post count too low to link images, I will post then below when i reach 5 posts)


    Could I have applied TOO MUCH thermal grease....someone told me that could casue overheating, though it sounds strange.

    Thanks again for the help, greatly appreciated.

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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    here they are...



    EDIT - url tags didnt work...

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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    The aBit software gives the same information as Everest on my Vista64 setup, the only difference being that the CPU is 10 degrees lower than any of the individual core readings, so that temp of 51 is actually pushing 60.

    There is definately such a thing as too much thermal grease, the idea is to apply a thing layer to fill in the microscopic holes in the surface of the heatsink. Remember, the guides for using the thermal paste say to place a small drop (or line) in the centre and use the weight of the heatsink to spread it out.

    If I were you, reseat the heatsink and see how that goes.

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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    The abit uguru gives the temp for the cpu not the cores which looks as if its out.

    Just use coretemp and youll be fine, second thing is youve still got speedstep enabled as your multi is at 6 when idles.

    And yes to much paste is bad a VERY think line of arctic silver 5 should bhe used not loads of it one tube of arctic silver can do way over 100 cpus if your using it right.

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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    Thanks all.

    How do I disable speedstep? SHould I not have multi set to 9?

    If the paste goes hard - how can I get it off?

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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    Bit of twist action to break the seal should be enough paste wont go hard atm maybe in a few months.

    There should be a sction in your bios related to saftey features like intel speedstep and cei1 or something like that, and yes the multi sh9uld be at 9.

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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    OK thanks,

    I will reseat the cpu and heatsink if nothing else works - will be a hassle though.

    Just to confirm I have this right.... The COre Temp readings show at between 28 and 37 for the 4 cores idle.

    That looks too high?

    But those temps do not necessarily reflect the overall CPU temp? Is there a good application I can use that reliably shows that?

    ALso, if my cpu is too hot should the pc not "shut down" as set in BIOS, rather than hang?

    Again - thanks for all the help here.

    EDIT - ALso, I notice that the temps shown in Core Temp are all different. Core 0 and Core 1 are 10 degress higher than Core 2......? Does this signify, or infer anything?
    Run EVEREST and it has same temps for the cores (the ones it shows in the demo) and a CPU temp of 52 idle...so it is high and its a lot higher than the cores...?
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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    OK - taken the thing apart - removed heatsink and removed excess arctic silver. Yes I had put too much on.

    Now its a minutely thin film and the temps are EXACTLY the same.

    I am really at a loss now, any really disapointed. The heatsink is very difficult to get locked into place so I cant keep taking it apart or something is likely to break.....

    I cant see how to make my fan run any faster in the bios....is there a setting?

    Currently running (cpu) at 51 idle. (everest and uGuru reading) and the cores are at:

    37, 37, 28, 22.

    Is the cpu faulty do you think?

    Still runs games and 3dmark05 ok, but stress test and it bombs.

    EDIT: I have now set the correct timings manually for my RAM and it now runs even hotter at 55 idle. Think I need to ship this back as I have tried everything now and there is simply no way it should be running at that temp. Case is really cool and great airflow too.
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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    Coretemp isn't always right (none of the utilities are in fact right with every CPU). The maker makes an assumption about TJmax, but this can vary over time as Intel makes changes. It is measuring a different thing to Abit uguru, core vs die.

    Now I don't like that program but it should report on the die temp fairly accurately as it gets it from the mobo diode. If that's running at 51C then no way are the cores at 38. They're probably at 53C because Coretemp is 15C out on the TJMax and there shouldn't be much differential at idle.

    Intel has a failsafe temp which it shuts down if the cores reach it. That's generally quite high, but it might reach that before the die temp reaches 75C if the temp in the cores is ramping up very quickly.

    If you have the Intel stock fan I'd try that out and see what happens. BTW what fan do you have with the HS? Is it blowing towards the back of the case?

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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorsson View Post
    BTW what fan do you have with the HS? Is it blowing towards the back of the case?

    The heatsink come with a fan that is poistioned on the side, rather than the top - you can have it either way around, but I have mine pushing the air downwards - towards the graphics card as there is more space that way/ If it went up the PSU is quiet close.

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    Re: Orthos Stress Test Failure (Vista 64)

    Quote Originally Posted by silvercue View Post
    The heatsink come with a fan that is poistioned on the side, rather than the top - you can have it either way around, but I have mine pushing the air downwards - towards the graphics card as there is more space that way/ If it went up the PSU is quiet close.
    It may be true that there's more room, but it is more efficient to have the fan blowing towards the back of the case because that way the warm air goes out, whereas you are blowing it over the GFX card.

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