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    the new chip....sloooow?

    Hi again,

    So, the story continues! So I put the 3200+ 400 into the new machine on the MSI K7N2-L Delta, with the 1gb of TwinMos 3200 Ram, put NForce 3.13 drivers on, latest 53.03 detonators to go with the 256mb Leadtek a350 GeForce FX 5900 Ultra and it should all be sweet as a nut.... Hmmmm

    Here's a list of problems i've noticed:

    1> Benchmark scores are noticeably lower than my rig (see first lot of specs below). I mean like im getting 5300 in 3d mark'03 and 38,000 in aquamark etc.

    2> Temperature is very erratic and goes from 38 idling up to 57 under load! Its a thermaltake A1889-01 Silent Boost HSF.

    3> When I'm playing CD-AUDIO im getting slight popping at some points and very slight skipping.

    4> AIDA32 detects my processor differently everytime i bloody run it!! Sometimes its a 2600+ running at 1900 mghz (or whatever) and next time its a 2800+ or a 3200+..... is this connected with the problems.

    5> HELP!

    I've gotta give my brother this tomorrow and i'd hate to give him a machine that runs worse than mine!!

    CHeers

    DaZ
    Current Rig:
    2700+@175fsb/2257mhz, Soltek 75FRN-L, 2x512mb TwinMOS on TwinMOS 3200 RAM (Dual Channel) @175 (synced with fsb) 8-3-3-2.5 timings, 120gb 8mb Cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax +, 80gb Maxtor ATA133, 256mb Sapphir radeon 9800XT @ stock, 19" Hansol 920P.

    Currently Building for brother:
    3200+@200fsb, MSI K7N2-L Delta, 2x 512mb Crucial 3200 RAM@200 (single channel) 8-3-3-3, 200gb 8mb cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax+, 256mb Leadtek a350 GeForceFX 5900 ultra @485/922, 19" Iiyama MST

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    • Stoo's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Mac Pro
      • CPU:
      • 2*Xeon 5450 @ 2.8GHz, 12MB Cache
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 1600MHz FBDIMM
      • Storage:
      • ~ 2.5TB + 4TB external array
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      • ATI Radeon HD 4870
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      • Mac Pro
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      • OS X 10.7
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    is the bios up to date?
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    yeah mate. 5.6 i reckon
    Current Rig:
    2700+@175fsb/2257mhz, Soltek 75FRN-L, 2x512mb TwinMOS on TwinMOS 3200 RAM (Dual Channel) @175 (synced with fsb) 8-3-3-2.5 timings, 120gb 8mb Cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax +, 80gb Maxtor ATA133, 256mb Sapphir radeon 9800XT @ stock, 19" Hansol 920P.

    Currently Building for brother:
    3200+@200fsb, MSI K7N2-L Delta, 2x 512mb Crucial 3200 RAM@200 (single channel) 8-3-3-3, 200gb 8mb cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax+, 256mb Leadtek a350 GeForceFX 5900 ultra @485/922, 19" Iiyama MST

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    C'mon lads! someone must have an idea or two why?
    After playing with some ram settings it appears i get slightly higher now when I put them to: 11-3-3-2.0
    This seems to give me higher benchmarks (like 43,000 in Aquakmark) but my 2700+ with 512mb 2700 ram still got 47,000 so theres somethin not right still.....
    Current Rig:
    2700+@175fsb/2257mhz, Soltek 75FRN-L, 2x512mb TwinMOS on TwinMOS 3200 RAM (Dual Channel) @175 (synced with fsb) 8-3-3-2.5 timings, 120gb 8mb Cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax +, 80gb Maxtor ATA133, 256mb Sapphir radeon 9800XT @ stock, 19" Hansol 920P.

    Currently Building for brother:
    3200+@200fsb, MSI K7N2-L Delta, 2x 512mb Crucial 3200 RAM@200 (single channel) 8-3-3-3, 200gb 8mb cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax+, 256mb Leadtek a350 GeForceFX 5900 ultra @485/922, 19" Iiyama MST

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    hmmmm. The plot thickens. I have just ran Memtest and after it had ran for about 10 minutes and got to 49% coverage, a text box came up saying I had faulty RAM and should replace it!!!
    Is this 100% certain or what?
    Current Rig:
    2700+@175fsb/2257mhz, Soltek 75FRN-L, 2x512mb TwinMOS on TwinMOS 3200 RAM (Dual Channel) @175 (synced with fsb) 8-3-3-2.5 timings, 120gb 8mb Cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax +, 80gb Maxtor ATA133, 256mb Sapphir radeon 9800XT @ stock, 19" Hansol 920P.

    Currently Building for brother:
    3200+@200fsb, MSI K7N2-L Delta, 2x 512mb Crucial 3200 RAM@200 (single channel) 8-3-3-3, 200gb 8mb cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax+, 256mb Leadtek a350 GeForceFX 5900 ultra @485/922, 19" Iiyama MST

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    • Stoo's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Mac Pro
      • CPU:
      • 2*Xeon 5450 @ 2.8GHz, 12MB Cache
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 1600MHz FBDIMM
      • Storage:
      • ~ 2.5TB + 4TB external array
      • Graphics card(s):
      • ATI Radeon HD 4870
      • Case:
      • Mac Pro
      • Operating System:
      • OS X 10.7
      • Monitor(s):
      • 24" Samsung 244T Black
      • Internet:
      • Zen Max Pro
    I'd run it a couple more times, but from what you've described, it sounds more like a duff motherboard..
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    Could be, but the memory could be causing this problem as well, if it is duff memory then this would be the problem.

    Also....make your sig smaller X|!

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    ok, sorted my sig! it didnt seem tro look that big at work... well anyway... im currently on another machine im building whilst im running the memtest on the 'problematic' machine..... its currently at 66% coverage on 1gb of ram (it got the errors last time at 39% and 2% after that). I've firstly swapped the first 512mb module into slot 2 instead of slot 1. SO now I have 512mb in slot 2 and 512mb in slot 3 (so i got dual channel) so far so good but I guess it needs a lot of testing.

    After this if i get more errors I will remove one of the modules at a time to test for errors.

    My brother is sick as a parrot after all the hassle we've had with this machine build (read my threads on E-Buyer and the 3000+ 333 fiasco!) its taken ages to sort out and now i got it all here I find that it doesn't run as well as my 2700+!!

    ANyway, i'll keep you posted....
    Current Rig:
    2700+@175fsb/2257mhz, Soltek 75FRN-L, 2x512mb TwinMOS on TwinMOS 3200 RAM (Dual Channel) @175 (synced with fsb) 8-3-3-2.5 timings, 120gb 8mb Cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax +, 80gb Maxtor ATA133, 256mb Sapphir radeon 9800XT @ stock, 19" Hansol 920P.

    Currently Building for brother:
    3200+@200fsb, MSI K7N2-L Delta, 2x 512mb Crucial 3200 RAM@200 (single channel) 8-3-3-3, 200gb 8mb cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax+, 256mb Leadtek a350 GeForceFX 5900 ultra @485/922, 19" Iiyama MST

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    Ok,

    The results of my extensive testing are that I doubt very much it is the memory.
    I've tested all combinations of the Ram with both, just one or the other, all slots etc and it gets errors EVERY time. The chances of having 2 bad modules is unlikely.
    Anyway, further to this I happen to be building those two computers for my boss's and they just happen to have each an identical 512mb stick of RAM inside which ive ran memtest on on their computers and no errors at all. So I take one of those sticks and put it in thois 'problematic' computer and BOOMF! - errors. SO that says to me it is the Motherboard or some other thing affecting it.

    Now the question is how the hell do i find out that it is? should I return the Mobo and change it to another one? or u think it could be something else?!
    Just to remind you - read the bottom spec on the sig for this 'problematic' machine.... MSI K7N2-L Delta mobo

    Cheers

    Daz


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    ok, sorted my sig! it didnt seem tro look that big at work... well anyway... im currently on another machine im building whilst im running the memtest on the 'problematic' machine..... its currently at 66% coverage on 1gb of ram (it got the errors last time at 39% and 2% after that). I've firstly swapped the first 512mb module into slot 2 instead of slot 1. SO now I have 512mb in slot 2 and 512mb in slot 3 (so i got dual channel) so far so good but I guess it needs a lot of testing.

    After this if i get more errors I will remove one of the modules at a time to test for errors.

    My brother is sick as a parrot after all the hassle we've had with this machine build (read my threads on E-Buyer and the 3000+ 333 fiasco!) its taken ages to sort out and now i got it all here I find that it doesn't run as well as my 2700+!!

    ANyway, i'll keep you posted....
    Current Rig:
    2700+@175fsb/2257mhz, Soltek 75FRN-L, 2x512mb TwinMOS on TwinMOS 3200 RAM (Dual Channel) @175 (synced with fsb) 8-3-3-2.5 timings, 120gb 8mb Cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax +, 80gb Maxtor ATA133, 256mb Sapphir radeon 9800XT @ stock, 19" Hansol 920P.

    Currently Building for brother:
    3200+@200fsb, MSI K7N2-L Delta, 2x 512mb Crucial 3200 RAM@200 (single channel) 8-3-3-3, 200gb 8mb cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax+, 256mb Leadtek a350 GeForceFX 5900 ultra @485/922, 19" Iiyama MST

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    Before you put all the blame at the mobo's door, were the other sticks of RAM both TwinMOS as well?

    I ask because I've heard a number of complaints that the MSI K7N2 range don't like TwinMOS. Maybe you could test it with your Kingston by either dropping the FSB or running it async...

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    in my experience, twinmos = crap. ive had a dodgy stick, one of my mates 2 DOA / 2 ordered!

    dgr
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    it sounds to me as if the pc works perfectly although rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbishty. the place you send the board back to may well think its perfectly ok and may charge a restocking fee and then make you order a new board instead of just crediting you the full amount so make 100% sure first maybe try all the bits on your main pc that runs fine to make sure they all run fine too!.

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    Check in BIOS for CPU Interface setting - on an NF7-S that is worth about 1500 points in 3DMark2001SE when set to enabled (MSI no doubt have a different term).

    I'm assuming that you have set your brother's 5900 Ultra to the same overclock for a proper comparison?

    Are you using the nVidia SW IDE drivers or the MS IDE?
    Check that your drives are set as UDMA.

    You would be better with the Realtek 650 driver for sound on that board than the nVidia one.

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    ram - first make sure its runing at stock timings and fsb and test with memtest. make sure cpu:ram ratio is 6:6.
    also check its at atleast 2.6v in the hardware monitoring, if its not increase it untill it is, if that doesnt help, do it more (with 2.8v at same maximum)
    your version of memtest86 might be differnt to the one i use... what tests do you get the errors in? imo tests 1-3 find damaged ram best, test4 i just skip, and test 5 will find 97% of over-clocked related errors, with tests 6 and 7 finding some of those, and the other few percent...
    if that doesnt help then decrease fsb by 5mhz at a time untill it works again. do this one stick in there at a time. also try it with a known working stick to rule out the mobo. many nforce 2 mobos struggle to do ddr400 sync'ed fsb, dunno if yours is one of them...

    and now i got it all here I find that it doesn't run as well as my 2700+!!
    would that be with the 2700+ overclocked?
    what speed is the 3200 suppost to run at? iirc with more cache - which a 3200 would have, amd decreases clock speed slightly as the extra cache makes up the difference. 2257mhz on a tbred wouldnt be far off 3200 performance in apps that dont make much use of the cache - it will depend on the program your running.

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    ok after using 5 pc's i have as testbeds to get to the bottom of this I have come to the following conclusion.
    512mb TwinMOS on TwinMOS 3200 RAM (Part Number: M2G9J16ATT9F081AADT)
    Does NOT work with the K7N2-L Delta Mobo or the Soltek 75FRN-L but it does work on the PC-Chips M848 ALU (£25 mobo!).
    Actually after an entire weekend (didn't go to bed at all last night) messing with this I actually found on the MSI site and the Nvidia site a 3200 ram compatability chart and the TwinMOS on TwinMOS wasn't on it! The TwinMOS on Winbond was but thats another matter....and mine arent that type.
    So, Thought I'd let everyone know that if u use these, they WILL work BUT will not perform properly and if you use a Memtest, you will find that they produce errors all the time.....

    Thought, I'd give you the news in case someone is gonna buy them soon or whatever..

    Cheers!

    DaZ
    Current Rig:
    2700+@175fsb/2257mhz, Soltek 75FRN-L, 2x512mb TwinMOS on TwinMOS 3200 RAM (Dual Channel) @175 (synced with fsb) 8-3-3-2.5 timings, 120gb 8mb Cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax +, 80gb Maxtor ATA133, 256mb Sapphir radeon 9800XT @ stock, 19" Hansol 920P.

    Currently Building for brother:
    3200+@200fsb, MSI K7N2-L Delta, 2x 512mb Crucial 3200 RAM@200 (single channel) 8-3-3-3, 200gb 8mb cache ATA 133 Maxtor Diamondmax+, 256mb Leadtek a350 GeForceFX 5900 ultra @485/922, 19" Iiyama MST

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    I am sorry I did not get here sooner, the first thing I thought as soon as I started reading was the K7N2 Delta mem compatibility problem.
    I, like you, had atleast one all nighter trying to root out the problem until i finally came ot the Nvidia compatibility chart.
    The stick I had were corsair and they would only boot 40% of the time.
    Anyway, I replaced them with 2 sticks of Samsung original 512 PC2700, which was on the compatibility list, and no probs, i have now replaced those with 2 sticks of 512Mb Twinmoss w/winbond PC3200, which is on the compatibility list, and no probs.
    I have just built a second system for a friend with the K7N2G-L (i actually have the K7N2-ILSR my self) and used 2 sticks of crucial 256 PC2700, works fine, even though no crucial ram appear to have been tested for the compatibility list.

    I did find these crucial sticks on the MSI forum's patched togethor list of approved mem modules that work though, it is very useful, see here:

    http://forum.msi.com.tw/thread.php?threadid=14555&sid=


    I am actually running an Xp2500+ Barton running at 2.2Ghz, identified as an XP 3200+, with the K7N2 Delta - ILSR, and the 2 sticks of 512mb PC3200 Twinmoss with winbond chips (Dual channel)
    Very similar to your system, so it should be ok with the right Ram.
    Good luck with it , i would only recommend approved Ram though ! The MSI forums ram list is a good enough reference though, as the nvidia compatibility list is very limited.
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    Desktop: AMD Athlon XP 2500+ Barton, 1024Mb PC-3200 TwinMOS w/Winbond, MSI K7N2 Delta-ILSR, Radeon 9800SE AIW, 40 GB 7,200 Rpm Hitachi Deskstar, 120GB 7,200 Rpm 8mb Cache Maxtor Diamond 9, 160GB 7200 Rpm 8mb Cache Seagate 7200.7 SATA, Plextor 708A 8x DVD-RW, 550W PFC Q-tec PSU, Casetek 1019SM Silver Case, Camdridge Soundworks DTT2200 Speakers

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