HD 4870 vs GTX 260

[j.o.s.h.1408]

when does it get released?

[kalniel]

So you don't think that the difference between the HD4850 and HD4870 will be bigger than 10FPS average? Loads of reviews I've read show the HD4850/9800GTX at only 10FPS below the GTX260 performance. I highly doubt the difference between the ATI cards will be as small as that imo.

I think it'll be about that - like I said - it'll depend on the game/settings/benchmark. Some will show the HD4870 ahead, others the 260.

Remember the 4870 doesn't gain any extra shaders/TMUs etc. It's just got a slightly faster core and a significantly faster set of memory, which will only help it significantly in certain situations.

[Noxvayl]

when does it get released?

25/06/2008 which is Wednesday

[j.o.s.h.1408]

i rather get this actualy. it will be able to play crysis full on its glory

http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?WebProductId=680832

[kalniel]

i rather get this actualy. it will be able to play crysis full on its glory

http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?WebProductId=680832

Crysis wouldn't even start up on that card... Even if you could somehow manage it, it's only an ATi 2900, so far too slow for Crysis.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

for that price it better start crysis

[kalniel]

for that price it better start crysis

Why? It's not meant for playing games on.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

gosh some people don't have any humour here :S

[kalniel]

Ah sorry, internet is hard to get humour across. I thought you were being serious when you stated very factually "it will be able to play crysis full on its glory"

[FifthFreedom]

But will my card play Crysis?

http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?WebProductId=799625

I hope so... It was so expensive...

[Agent]

This is nVidia we are talking about... seriously now they aren't willing to take a loss period.

They will, and have done in the past. What makes more sense - Selling them at a small loss now, of sitting on them and making a bigger loss as they rapidly loose their value?

Beside, its very unlikely they will make a loss even if they get close to matching ATi. People underestimate how much nVidia make on GPU sales.

Having said that, they will only do so if needed. They can adjust GPU output to a low level if needed to make a minimal loss....good old supply and demand

[kalniel]

But will my card play Crysis?

http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?WebProductId=799625

I hope so... It was so expensive...

It'd play it better than the one josh listed, yes

[Hicks12]

Not sure if its 100% true but its rumoured that a few people took engineering samples of the ATI card past 1000Mhz so that would be a 200Mhz overclock from the HD4870 if there aren't any other restraints like the HD3870 had.

The release of the HD4870 is going to be very interesting indeed

i remember seeing the 4870 (on scan website ) ~3.8ghz memory clock so that would be way more than 200mhz difference. There is a significant difference between the 4850->4870 which would probably help at the higher res, i bet it will beat the 260 and perhaps the 280.

Ati/amd really need to win this time as they will close down at this rate very soon, they made like 600million loss last year or something which is BAD.

[Noxvayl]

i remember seeing the 4870 (on scan website ) ~3.8ghz memory clock so that would be way more than 200mhz difference. There is a significant difference between the 4850->4870 which would probably help at the higher res, i bet it will beat the 260 and perhaps the 280.

Ati/amd really need to win this time as they will close down at this rate very soon, they made like 600million loss last year or something which is BAD.

Yeah that's the GDDR5 memory, was talking about the GPU frequency I also think the HD4870 is going to be loads better than the HD4850. I am hoping it will surprise us all and compete against the GTX280.

[Thorsson]

I don't understand why the 4870 should be so good. Core is the main determinant of performance. A "good clocker" 4850 might match a 4870 clock for clock and be close to it in overall performance.

[this_is_gav]

No way will HD4870 be faster than a GTX280. They'll not be even close in terms of performance. I think the hype after HD4850 is starting to get to people's heads.

HD4850X2 and HD4870X2 should give us a new performance king, though it's not happening until August.

Back on the subject of NVIDIA taking a loss. Rumour has it that for most of the 65nm duration they've been making a loss with the 8800GTs due to horrible, horrible yields. I don't think their sprint to 55nm is due to GTX280 being a bit hungry, personally. If you can afford a £450 graphics card, the PSU and electric it needs is kind of a long way down the list of considerations.

ATI's really backed them into a corner at the moment, and worryingly for NV it's not taken a whole lot of work from ATI to get there.