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    RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    Hi, I am running 32-bit Vista Ultimate and have 4GB of RAM installed on my computer. I had installed Vista SP1 on my system as I had heard that it would allow for the OS to address 4GB of RAM. I then found out that this included Video Memory amongst other things, so I would not see 4GB of RAM. In task manager, it can address 3326 MB of my RAM, so I was thinking, is there any way I can allow Vista to use all 4GB of my RAM without having to install a 64 bit OS? This is because I have just finished my build and only just got everything the way I want it. Getting a copy of Vista 64 is not an issue as I am sure i can borrow a copy from some friends so a way with which I can transfer everything to a new install would also be a way of solving my issue.

    Thanks in advance for any help.

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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    AFAIK it's plainly because it's a 32-bit OS. I don't think you can use any kind of service pack/patch/crack/smack to use the other gig. Best off just using a 64-bit OS. You can probably buy an upgrade for cheap considering you own the 32-bit version.

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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    32-bit operating systems are unable to see more than 4GB (RAM + Graphic Memory), this is not changeable with an update.

    Though my friend who has a laptop with Vista 32-bit, 4 GB of RAM and a 512 MB video card, when he first started his laptop, the Vista information window (where also the Rate Index is located) showed he had 3.2 GB of RAM, after installing Vista SP1 it showed it had 4 GB of RAM, I don't know why this is shown.
    Though I think it still sees the 4 GB of RAM, while not being able to use it... That is just my guess though...

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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    Quote Originally Posted by Abhik262 View Post
    Hi, I am running 32-bit Vista Ultimate and have 4GB of RAM installed on my computer. I had installed Vista SP1 on my system as I had heard that it would allow for the OS to address 4GB of RAM.
    Dont know where you heard that.

    32bit = 3.25gb max. End of.

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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite View Post
    Dont know where you heard that.

    32bit = 3.25gb max. End of.
    Understandable he might have read it somewhere, since this happend to my friend's laptop, I still don't know why.

    When he just got his laptop, showing this;


    After he installed Vista SP1, it showed this';



    No idea why lol

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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite View Post
    Dont know where you heard that.

    32bit = 3.25gb max. End of.
    Yeah you only get 3.25Gb of use out of ANY 32bit OS. Its a limitation of the 32bit address.

    Quote Originally Posted by NovaSphere View Post
    Understandable he might have read it somewhere, since this happend to my friend's laptop, I still don't know why.

    When he just got his laptop, showing this;


    After he installed Vista SP1, it showed this';



    No idea why lol
    The reason they did that is because its too much hassle to explain to the average Joe that 32bit OS has limitations. Instead mircrosoft just changed what is shown in the system notes so that numpties think its working fine and stop bothering Microsoft and other computer companies saying there is a problem. Regardless of what it says in the notes on windows it is still only able to utilise 3.25Gb, no exceptions.

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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    lol.

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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    Quote Originally Posted by ExHail View Post
    Yeah you only get 3.25Gb of use out of ANY 32bit OS. Its a limitation of the 32bit address.



    The reason they did that is because its too much hassle to explain to the average Joe that 32bit OS has limitations. Instead mircrosoft just changed what is shown in the system notes so that numpties think its working fine and stop bothering Microsoft and other computer companies saying there is a problem. Regardless of what it says in the notes on windows it is still only able to utilise 3.25Gb, no exceptions.
    This is what my guess was, but I wasn't sure, thanks for the enlightment

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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    Just so people understand...

    32bit means it uses a 32bit adressing system for memory.

    The adres would look like this in bits, (binary), with each 0 being either a 1 or 0.


    0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0


    Each 'flip-flop' *real technical word that* that holds a set amount of information must be assigned to a particular address, and no two flip-flops can have the same address.

    If we use a 4 bit adressing system, we can have 16 different adresses (2 power 4).

    0000, 0001, 0010, 0011, 0100, 0101, 0110, 0111, 1000, 001, 1010, 1011, 1100, 1101, 1110 and 1111.

    Basically, its 2 power 32, which gives over 4 billion addresses. That means 32bit OS can use upto 4GB of physical memory...

    HOWEVER - Your graphics card has physical memory, and will address this first, anything left over, it will assigner to your RAM

    oh, and if you have a big e-peen and try to run 4x 1GB graphics cards your screwed ^_^

    If you want to use all your RAM, and have a 64bit processor, you should upgrade windows to 64bit.
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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    I'm just going to clarify this whole 32 bit = 3.25GB max thing.
    As said earlier, the 4GB addressable space has to be shared with all other hardware on the system that needs addressable space, so you can never get teh full 4GB on an Xp 32 bit of Vista 32 bit system, but the limit is not 3.25 GB. The limit is simply less than 4GB.
    If you have a 512MB Gfx card, you will never see more than 3.5GB - probably closer to 3.2 GB.
    If you have a 1024MB Gfx card, you will never see more than 3GB etc.
    However if you have a crappy 64 MB Gfx card, you will almost certainly see more than 3.25GB.
    Also, 32 bit OS's aren't actually limited to 4GB addressable space. Modern Intel and AMD CPU's use PAE for 36 bit addressing meaning a theoretical max of 64 GB addressable space.
    However for compatibility reasons they don;t use the 36 bit addressing. However, windows server OS's do. Hence an old ML570 G1 at my work having 4.6GB usable space on Windows 2000 Advanced Server.
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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    If you have retail Vista Ultimate then you have a licence for 64bit, so go and install. Unlucky if you have oem as you have to choose which version you have on first install

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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    Why not dual boot so you have 32 and 64bits? It might be a good idea to try that as you may find some of your hardware/devices may not work properly under the 64bits OS, so you can always have something to fall back on.

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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    Quote Originally Posted by ExHail View Post
    Yeah you only get 3.25Gb of use out of ANY 32bit OS. Its a limitation of the 32bit address.
    Not quite true, First the limit is not strictly 3.25 but someone has explained that in detail already, also some 32bit OSs can address more than 4G using PAE. Although XP and Vista can support PAE (which provides some other features), the physical memory limit was kept to 4G otherwise it would break a lot of drivers.

    32bit Linux 2.6.x kernels can address more than 4G as can the 32bit Server editions of Windows. E.g. Windows 2003 Enterprise (32bit) can address 32GB. Using PAE there is a limit on individual process sizes.

    However none of that helps the OP much

    see http ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    Quote Originally Posted by ydrol View Post
    see http ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
    I haven't read this article but i remember talking about this at Uni before, PAE is there, YES... BUT!
    IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO USE ANY MORE THAN 4GB OF MEMORY IN 32Bit XP/Vista NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!

    So we don't need to get peoples hopes up

    All you can do if you want more RAM adressing space is upgrade to 64bit Vista...
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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    Oops looks like I'm wrong about the GPU memory..

    http://tinyurl.com/5elfjs
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    One thing I'm not sure about however is the explanations here implying a 512MB card uses 512 System Ram also. This doesnt seem to make sense to me. Graphics cards have their own memory, full - stop (except for the cheap integrated ones but that's not what I'm talking about).
    Running GPU with 1GB on-board RAM will not drop your System ram by 1G.
    your OS and hardware all need little bits of memory reserved for themselves to work, you get to play with what's left over. a GPU with 1G on-board RAM will be allocated some System Ram to operate it, but it surely wont be 1G!
    How much ram you see will be dependent on your OS. hardware and BIOS settings,
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    Re: RAM Issue in 32-bit Vista Ultimate

    Oops looks like I'm wrong about the GPU memory..

    http://tinyurl.com/5elfjs
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    Quote Originally Posted by richieuk View Post
    I haven't read this article but i remember talking about this at Uni before, PAE is there, YES... BUT!
    IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO USE ANY MORE THAN 4GB OF MEMORY IN 32Bit XP/Vista NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!

    So we don't need to get peoples hopes up

    All you can do if you want more RAM adressing space is upgrade to 64bit Vista...
    I agree, and pretty sure I said this in my post, so not getting anyones hopes up . I was just countering the incorrect information
    "you only get 3.25Gb of use out of ANY 32bit OS."
    , and even said in my post "Although XP and Vista can support PAE (which provides some other features), the physical memory limit was kept to 4G otherwise it would break a lot of drivers." and that "it doesnt help the OP."

    I just didn't put it in big bold letters.

    However it is worse IMO when chinese whispers creep in and incorrect information start to spread
    (eg "no 32bit OS of any kind can address 4G - wrong"
    "A GPU with x onboard memory uses x System RAM - this seems to be implied from some comments and IMO is also wrong"


    and everyone let's it slide.. but say something right but not in a big enough font in the correct places ...
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