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    Advice on new build please

    Hi,

    I'm looking at putting together a semi-upgrade/new build, mainly for gaming eg COD4, Farcry2, GTA4 (when they come out), some programming and surfing. I might look into OCing but I wouldn't be upset if I didn't.


    These are the items I am looking at getting new:

    LN23569 Gigabyte GA-EP45C-DS3 £85.78
    LN23977 1GB PowerColor HD4870 £198.56
    LN23989 Intel Core 2 Duo, E8600 £178.72
    LN24128 4GB (2x2GB) Corsair TwinX DDR2 XMS2 £73.85

    Total: £544.88

    Budget can go up to £600ish. For those parts.


    I'll be reusing my:

    BenQ FP241W 24" monitor
    Antec P182 case
    Logitech x230 speakers
    500GB HDD
    DVD Burner drive
    Keyboard and mouse


    It's been a while since I've done an overhaul (still on s939!) so i'm not too sure about the motherboard choice (too many codenames that all seem to offer the same thing!).

    I would appreciate some feedback and comments on the component choices and if i've missed anything obvious! Also mobo and memory compatibility, I've had serious issues and headaches with that in the past.

    Cheers and thanks in advance

    EDIT: Forgot to mention that i'm also reusing my 520W Corsair HX Series Modular PSU from my current build.
    Last edited by gnoofz; 10-10-2008 at 01:08 PM. Reason: Forgot to include PSU information.

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    Looks all fine to me, you could go with cheaper 800mhz memory if you don't want to overclock the cpu much.

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    Thanks for the reply, how does the memory speed affect the overclock for c2d systems? (because i remember there was a direct correlation on s939 systems).

    So i won't notice the difference between 1066MHz vs 800MHz unless I overclock?

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    As far as I know the ram will only run at the speed of the cpu FSB. The cpu you want is 666 and the ram is 1066 so it will run at 666 unless you overclock it up to 1066. If that makes sense.

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    520W Corsair HX Series Modular PSU, ATX, EPS12V, £68.14
    Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1* 64Bit 1Pk OEM (DVD), £72.72
    Intel Core 2 Duo, E8400, Wolfdale Core, S775, 3.0 GHz, £109.62
    4GB (2x2GB) Corsair Dominator DDR2 PC2-8500 (1066), 240 Pin, Non-ECC Unbuff, CAS 5, EPP, DHX + Fan , £96.17
    Asus P5Q PRO, iP45, S 775, PCI-E 2.0 (x16), DDR2 1200MHz, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX, £91.56
    896MB XFX GTX 260 XXX, PCI-E 2.0 (x16), Mem 2300MHz GDDR3, GPU 640MHz, 192Cores, 2 x DL DVI-I/ HDTV, £187.13

    I would try something like the above, it will come in at around £626 on Scan.co.uk.

    If you don't require Vista 64 for the RAM or the 520W PSU for the GPU then you can shave even more off the price and get it down to something like £485 which gives you some money to play with if you decided you require something else,

    The reason i went with the E8400 instead of the E8600 is because you gain only the slightest increase in power for around £70 more, the E8400 will over clock to speeds of 4.0Ghz and up if you have good cooling, you could even go lower then the E8400 as most of the chips in this range over clock very well, if you are going to over clock it though then put some of the money you save in to a 3rd party cooler and replace the supplied one.

    The RAM is a personal choice and I'm not to sure how much of a noticeable increase in speed it will give you (if any) so maybe one of the other guys can help there, and the case your using already has good cooling so i doubt your going to need the RAM fan,

    Oh and i went with the nVidia instead of the ATI as in the past i've always had problems with their cards, its not a dig at ATI its just my personal preference,

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    But isn't the CPU's FSB 1333MHz? Oh or is to due to dual channel so you halve it?

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    Thanks for the reply Rookie1986

    Forgot to mention I have the exact PSU you suggested (and it's great! ) to be reused too. And I have a copy of Vista Business lying around courtesy of my university, so will probably just use that.

    The e8400 does sound like a better deal. Which cooler would you recommend to go with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rookie1986 View Post
    Asus P5Q PRO, iP45, S 775, PCI-E 2.0 (x16), DDR2 1200MHz, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX, £91.56
    Curious about your motherboard choice, any particular reason for picking this one?

    Cheers

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    Quote Originally Posted by gnoofz View Post
    Thanks for the reply Rookie1986

    Forgot to mention I have the exact PSU you suggested (and it's great! ) to be reused too. And I have a copy of Vista Business lying around courtesy of my university, so will probably just use that.

    The e8400 does sound like a better deal. Which cooler would you recommend to go with it?



    Curious about your motherboard choice, any particular reason for picking this one?

    Cheers
    Well, I have the Thermaltake Golden Orb Cooler fitted to my E8400 and have had no problems what so ever with it but i must add that i have not over clocked my E8400 so dont know how things will be then, but at present everything runs nice and cool just like it should! But there are lots of other good coolers out there, something like the Scythe Ninja II is highly rated and come in at around £30 but I'm not sure if its AMD fit only or not so you would need to look it up or see if one of the guys here can help clear that up,

    I went with the Asus P5Q PRO as it is the dogs bollox of mother boards at sub £100 - and i think most others on here will agree with me on this,

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    Quote Originally Posted by gnoofz View Post
    But isn't the CPU's FSB 1333MHz? Oh or is to due to dual channel so you halve it?
    Yeah, the CPU's FSB is 1333MHz, but that's actually 333*4, so the "real" fsb (the clock is actually ticking at this rate) is 333MHz. The ram is DDR (meaning double data rate) so it has effective rate double the fsb (e.g. the 800MHz ram's "real" fsb is 400MHz).

    If you have an 1333MHz FSB cpu (333MHz real) and want to run it with a 1066 memory at the same FSB (synchronized) then you have to overclock the FSB from 333 all the way to 533(*2=1066), which is impossible for most of the cases or very hard.

    But you can run the cpu and the ram at different FSB's perfectly fine so you shouldn't be so much worried about all that stuff, except if you really want to get the most out of your hardware (which will require a lot of effort!).

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    Quote Originally Posted by shomei View Post
    Yeah, the CPU's FSB is 1333MHz, but that's actually 333*4, so the "real" fsb (the clock is actually ticking at this rate) is 333MHz. The ram is DDR (meaning double data rate) so it has effective rate double the fsb (e.g. the 800MHz ram's "real" fsb is 400MHz).

    If you have an 1333MHz FSB cpu (333MHz real) and want to run it with a 1066 memory at the same FSB (synchronized) then you have to overclock the FSB from 333 all the way to 533(*2=1066), which is impossible for most of the cases or very hard.

    But you can run the cpu and the ram at different FSB's perfectly fine so you shouldn't be so much worried about all that stuff, except if you really want to get the most out of your hardware (which will require a lot of effort!).
    Yeah, what he said

    As for a cpu fan, i'm using the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro (£17) and it's been very good to me, it depends on what you want to pay though.

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    Quote Originally Posted by Tr0gdor View Post
    Yeah, what he said

    As for a cpu fan, i'm using the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro (£17) and it's been very good to me, it depends on what you want to pay though.
    I hear the Arctic Cooling Freezer is loud in comparison to most other coolers, but its only what i hear!

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    It's loud on full but I use Q-fan so it's no louder than any other fan in my case.

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    shomei thanks for the clarification on FSB and memory speeds So i guess getting RAM that's rated higher than what I might actually achieve overclock wise is good in terms of elimating potential problems whe overclocking?

    I checked out some CPU coolers and looks like they don't stock thermaltakes at scan (and i'd like to get everything from the same place if possible). And I'd prefer a 120mm fan on the cooler. I saw some good reviews for the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 LN20676. Anyone used this?

    Also anyone have good overclocking experiences on the Asus P5Q PRO rookie1986 mentioned? As an overclocking noob i dont' want to have to wrestle the board.

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    No sure about using a Gigabyte EP35 board I had a DOA one so am bias, but have heard that this is not uncommon to get a dead Gigabyte P35. Could try an Asus P43/45, the P5QL-E is a nice board for around £70, just built my Dad's PC with one, but won't clock much more than 420mhz FSB I think.
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    Re: Advice on new build please

    Quote Originally Posted by Maccer101 View Post
    No sure about using a Gigabyte EP35 board I had a DOA one so am bias, but have heard that this is not uncommon to get a dead Gigabyte P35. Could try an Asus P43/45, the P5QL-E is a nice board for around £70, just built my Dad's PC with one, but won't clock much more than 420mhz FSB I think.
    Well i'm mainly looking at the P45s not P35s But does the DOAa apply to the gigabyte p45s too?

    Looking at the Asus and Gigabyte boards are quite frustrating! They have 16 and 12 p45 boards respectively to sift through, all just slightly different flavours. Plus the asus comparison thingamajig on their site was down when i tried using it.

    I suppose I would pay the £30 difference for the asus P5Q pro over the P5QL-E if it overclocks better...

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    Re: Advice on new build please

    gnoofz,

    Sorry I can't read obviously, thought it was a P35 on your first post. Have no personal experience
    with the P45s, as for the Asus Pro I would check out a few reviews to see what FSB they got.

    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-review-9.html

    At the real risk of being shot down I think Gigabyte offer more for the budget end of each of the chipsets, but if I was spending some real money I would go with Asus. Subjective though.

    I would approach it from the perspective "do I need more than 400mhz FSB" and that will answer your question.

    Also the P5QL-E 24pin power socket is in a pretty poor place and I had to run the PSU cable between the CPU heatsink and the GPU, not a massive hassle, just ruined my plans for ultra-neat cabling thats all. With your P182 case (a bottom mounted PSU) you better make sure the cables will reach.
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