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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    Those far cry graphs say it all really - there is no way such a new and 'improved' architecture, with such things as in-die low latency controller, huge bandwidth, turbo etc. should ever be slower than the architecture it's replacing. Maybe it's as simple as the lower amounts of l2 cache, but if that's the case then I'm not even going to look at i7 for a purchase until they rectify it.

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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Those far cry graphs say it all really - there is no way such a new and 'improved' architecture, with such things as in-die low latency controller, huge bandwidth, turbo etc. should ever be slower than the architecture it's replacing. Maybe it's as simple as the lower amounts of l2 cache, but if that's the case then I'm not even going to look at i7 for a purchase until they rectify it.
    true but games at a certain res are GPU bound and if u check other sites, a mutli GPU setup is being bottleneck by a core 2 whilst the i7 shows huge gains. i will post a link later on about it but if you run crosdfire or sli, i7 is the way to go

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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    Quote Originally Posted by j.o.s.h.1408 View Post
    true but games at a certain res are GPU bound and if u check other sites, a mutli GPU setup is being bottleneck by a core 2 whilst the i7 shows huge gains. i will post a link later on about it but if you run crosdfire or sli, i7 is the way to go
    Would be nice to see especially if it isn't the site comparing an i7 to an E8400.
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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    Quote Originally Posted by j.o.s.h.1408 View Post
    true but games at a certain res are GPU bound and if u check other sites, a mutli GPU setup is being bottleneck by a core 2 whilst the i7 shows huge gains. i will post a link later on about it but if you run crosdfire or sli, i7 is the way to go
    That's interesting then. It's pretty safe to say I won't be going crossfire or SLI for a long time though - I'm far more interested in value for money!

    But otherwise if your games are GPU bound then just get the cheapest CPU you can that doesn't bottleneck.

    Is it the guru3d one? I can't see their benchmarks due some some funny flash thing.

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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    Comprehensive review of SLI and Crossfire

    http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i...mance-review/1

    Basically saying i7 is good in these situations (at least for the 4 games investigated, and with lesser gains at higher resolutions).

    The most interesting page is probably 19 where they look at i7 against QX9770 and E8400.

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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    On first inspection of those benchmarks I thought "Hmmm, maybe I would see gains from an i7 in games"......then I noticed that the lines converge at 2560x1600 - the resolution I aim for but hardy ever achieve - meaning I would see next to no improvement. In fact, many converge at 1920x1200, my minimum resolution.

    My debit card was getting itchy - for a moment at least

    I think all that article shows is what we know already.....GPU is still the most important component for gaming BY FAR. At resolutions that are not taxing these multi-GPU rigs, you can see how powerful i7 is......but there is very little need to go from 100 to 200 fps
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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    On first inspection of those benchmarks I thought "Hmmm, maybe I would see gains from an i7 in games"......then I noticed that the lines converge at 2560x1600 - the resolution I aim for but hardy ever achieve - meaning I would see next to no improvement. In fact, many converge at 1920x1200, my minimum resolution.

    My debit card was getting itchy - for a moment at least

    I think all that article shows is what we know already.....GPU is still the most important component for gaming BY FAR. At resolutions that are not taxing these multi-GPU rigs, you can see how powerful i7 is......but there is very little need to go from 100 to 200 fps
    exatcly. people saying umm a i7 does nothing for games well newsflash, when core 2 first came out, that did nothing for games either!

    if you have a SLI/crossfire config, i7 shows huge gains over core 2 so u can bet your mortgage that most likely teh future next gen 380 or even 480 gtx card that comes out will be slowed down by your beloved core 2

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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    That's interesting then. It's pretty safe to say I won't be going crossfire or SLI for a long time though - I'm far more interested in value for money!

    But otherwise if your games are GPU bound then just get the cheapest CPU you can that doesn't bottleneck.

    Is it the guru3d one? I can't see their benchmarks due some some funny flash thing.
    i will dig deep and see where it is but its been widely reported that sli/corssfire shows alot of gains on a i7

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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    Quote Originally Posted by j.o.s.h.1408 View Post
    exatcly. people saying umm a i7 does nothing for games well newsflash, when core 2 first came out, that did nothing for games either!

    if you have a SLI/crossfire config, i7 shows huge gains over core 2 so u can bet your mortgage that most likely teh future next gen 380 or even 480 gtx card that comes out will be slowed down by your beloved core 2
    Not in my opinion.

    Even with the triple-SLI and QuadFire systems, once you taxed the graphics cards properly, the difference between Core2 and i7 is marginal and in some cases, nil.

    So, maybe, if you had a 3 x GTX380 or QuadFire 5870 setup, you might see a difference at 2560x1600.....but if you are sticking to a single GPU solutions for the foreseeable future, I cannot see how i7 will help much TBH.

    Looking at low resolutions were Core2 gives 150FPS and i7 gives 250FPS is pretty useless IMO. You need to look at where the graphics cards are being taxed to see where it will give real benefits.....because if you game at 1280x1024, triple SLI and i7 is a waste of money to begin with.
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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    in a nutshell the chances of the next gen gpu cards by nvidia/ATI being a bottleneck for core 2 and not i7 is high on the mark. if a 380GTX for example, has the sort of power as two-three 280gtx's in SLI then your core 2 is going to be holding your beloved 380GTX hehe

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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    You must be looking at different benchmarks then I am.......or drawing a different conclusion.

    i7 = wasted for gaming. At least for 2 years IMO (at least going by the guru3d benchmarks)

    and that is assuming the next gen of video cards are 2-3 times faster then current, which chances are they will be no-where near that fast.

    The guru3d graphs can be quite misleading unless you really think about what your looking at.....all the results that show a clear difference are at low resolutions........resolutions that are completely wasting an i7 and high-end gfx card to begin with.
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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    You must be looking at different benchmarks then I am.......or drawing a different conclusion.

    i7 = wasted for gaming. At least for 2 years IMO (at least going by the guru3d benchmarks)

    and that is assuming the next gen of video cards are 2-3 times faster then current, which chances are they will be no-where near that fast.
    well maybe not the 380's but 480's? either way a i7 will most definetly last u 2-3 years before the cpu even remotely begins to become a bottleneck for a GPU and thats teh main thing in terms of pc gaming, as long as ur pc can cope with the gpu u are all good to go.

    this is how i see it mate. as long as pci-e doesnt die off like agp did in the next 3 years. then all any i7 owners have to do to play the LATEST and greatest games at 1080p res is to simply upgrade their gpu cheap as chips really. just save £200+ a year to buy the latest gpu card whenever they come out

    Now if you was to have a core 2 now, you will STILL need to buy a nehalem system in some form of the other within 2 years at least if not within a year.

    does anybody have benchmarks for the ATI 4870x2 on its own ie just the one card? it might show some gains as well because its still ineffectively a crossfire 2 in 1 card

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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    Quote Originally Posted by j.o.s.h.1408 View Post
    Now if you was to have a core 2 now, you will STILL need to buy a nehalem system in some for of the other within 2 years at least if not within a year.
    Eh?

    I've been using a socket 939 X2 for 3 years, and don't see any need to replace it for at least another year. Core 2 is a whopping 50-100% faster than 939 X2 so it'll be even longer - maybe 3 or 4 years. And the higher your res then the more likely it is your GPU is going to bottleneck, making CPU speed even less relevant.

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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    Quote Originally Posted by j.o.s.h.1408 View Post
    Now if you was to have a core 2 now, you will STILL need to buy a nehalem system in some form of the other within 2 years at least if not within a year.
    Why? Again the benchmarks show that GPU is the main factor. A Core2 will last most people another 2-3 years based on those benchmarks....probably even longer.

    Now, if your gaming at 1920x1200 or 2560x1600, then a Core2 may start to show its age in 18-24 months time with the-latest-at-the-time dual-or-triple-GPU upgrade, possibly.

    The big joke here anyway is that you'll spend more money buying i7 now, then you would buying core2 now and switching to i7 in 12-18 months time once motherboards, CPUs and DDR3 RAM have bottomed-out in price....and you won't be stuck with a first gen motherboard and looking at new i7 CPUs that don't work in your first-gen board.

    Anyway, you seem determined to find this all out the hard way, so good luck
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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Why? Again the benchmarks show that GPU is the main factor. A Core2 will last most people another 2-3 years based on those benchmarks....probably even longer.

    Now, if your gaming at 1920x1200 or 2560x1600, then a Core2 may start to show its age in 18-24 months time with the-latest-at-the-time dual-or-triple-GPU upgrade, possibly.

    The big joke here anyway is that you'll spend more money buying i7 now, then you would buying core2 now and switching to i7 in 12-18 months time once motherboards, CPUs and DDR3 RAM have bottomed-out in price....and you won't be stuck with a first gen motherboard and looking at new i7 CPUs that don't work in your first-gen board.

    Anyway, you seem determined to find this all out the hard way, so good luck
    haha nope. like i said before. im a very open minded lad and if and i say IF core 2 is more then suitable for my needs come jan then i will get that instead but meh, i cant afford to upgrade every 12-18months. if i can, i would of bought a core 2 today and be done with it.

    what makes u think me spending an i7 now instead of a core 2 now plus a i7 in 12-18months is going to be cheaper?

    how did u work that out? a core 2 quad with a mobo and 4gb ram is roughly 2/3 of the price of a near equivalent 3gb i7 920 with a x58 mobo

    its cheaper for me to buy a i7 now rather buying a core 2 now, and the i7 later as im sure prices of the i7 wont be more cheaper then what the core 2 is atm?

    yes a i7 now costs around £1000+ for teh full package but your telling me that a quad core 2 + a 1 year old i7 is going to be cheaper then £1000?

    if so, i would definetly go that route! two pc's for the price of tomorrows i7? im in

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    Re: Core i7 leakes

    Quote Originally Posted by j.o.s.h.1408 View Post
    what makes u think me spending an i7 now instead of a core 2 now plus a i7 in 12-18months is going to be cheaper?
    I'm pretty sure he was saying it wouldn't be cheaper to buy an i7 now.

    how did u work that out? a core 2 quad with a mobo and 4gb ram is roughly 2/3 of the price of a near equivalent 3gb i7 920 with a x58 mobo
    More like 1/3.

    its cheaper for me to buy a i7 now rather buying a core 2 now, and the i7 later as im sure prices of the i7 wont be more cheaper then what the core 2 is atm?
    It's not the i7 price that's the issue - it's purely the motherboard and ram costs.

    yes a i7 now costs around £1000+ for teh full package but your telling me that a quad core 2 + a 1 year old i7 is going to be cheaper then £1000?
    Yes. Especially if you take into account sell ons and if you'll consider lynnefield.

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